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Is there an industry-standard to Psy structure?
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ultraviolence
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Posted : Jul 23, 2008 09:21
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On 2008-07-22 04:26, Meta wrote:
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On 2008-07-21 16:42, Zeyon wrote:
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On 2008-07-21 12:38, Seamoon wrote:
industry-standart 4 psytrance: every 16 bars (or even 8) an uplifter with crash 
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Yeah  :/
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People can joke about this and make sarcastic comments all they want, but if you want DJs to play your tracks, have your phrases be 32 beats so it will, you know, ACTUALLY SYNC UP WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S MUSIC. When a producer intentionally abandons that formula, it makes a DJ playing that track sound like he doesn't know how to count or isn't paying attention.
If you aren't concerned about other people DJing your music, do whatever you want.
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I diagree with that. I believe pretty much anything can be mixed together well regardless of the lack of standardised structure used. Standard tracks are of course easier to mix.
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ultraviolence
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Posted : Jul 23, 2008 09:22
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On 2008-07-21 17:59, Mike A wrote:
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On 2008-07-20 21:06, hugaw wrote:
BTW what's this .7 golden rule ???
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0.7% = 1 bpm~
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Sorry I'm still not following, 0.7% of what exactly?
Thanks.
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Chemogen
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Posted : Jul 23, 2008 09:48
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The pitch...Want a 146 track to sync with a 144 one? Set the pitch of the 146er to -1.4 on the pitch range (.7 X 2)
I also used to have major problems with breaks, mine are generally anywhere between 16 or 32 bars and I usually use them as moments to string sections together thematically to keep them all sounding part of the same track.
It's really your opportunity to play around with psychedelic effects, create a huge soundscape and introduce new elements before the kick-in...At least that's how I use them. 
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ultraviolence
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Posted : Jul 23, 2008 10:54
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Meta
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Posted : Jul 24, 2008 03:51
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On 2008-07-23 09:21, ultraviolence wrote:
I diagree with that. I believe pretty much anything can be mixed together well regardless of the lack of standardised structure used. Standard tracks are of course easier to mix.
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You missed my point completely, or we have definitions of what mixing "well" means.
If you have some other structure that causes 'drops' or 'breaks' in the song come at the wrong time, or makes it sound like the DJ is fucking up or mixing off measure, most DJs won't be bothered and won't play your music.
Again, if having other DJs play your music isn't important to you, by all means - do whatever you want. Make weird structures, make the music stop and start and do whatever you feel like.
But most producers want to have other people play their music out at parties. If your music has some structural variation that requires a DJ to leave themselves a little handwritten note in their DJ case or something, most aren't going to bother.
Anyone that has hung out with DJs know they critique and judge each other's performance, as they are all competing for gigs, and promoters judge you too. If a DJ knows a song is "unpredictable" he's not going to play it publicly if it makes it sound like he doesn't know how to mix or only knows how to do quick little 4 second mixes.
If your music REALLY IS THAT GOOD that it will inspire a DJ to go to the extra trouble of leaving themselves notes or doing a mix that requires some different approach just to accommodate your one song, great, but.. most people's music isn't.
I'm not saying someones music is "wrong" if it does this or that, this is just the simple reality of how most DJs react to tracks. I did a 2 hour mix live on a radio show every week for 5 years, and that absolutely was my attitude. There were a few tracks I liked that did something "off" that I made accommodations for, but the vast majority of songs that had a weird break or something in the "mix points" that caused a drop to come in "off" or something, it just didn't get played.
Also, the VAST majority of the time I hear something that is "off" from the 32 beat phrase structure, it really adds nothing special to the track, or isn't something that couldn't be reworked to fit in the conventional structure... It was just laziness or obliviousness on the part of the producer, or some guy going out of his way just to say "HAHA I'm breaking the RULES, man! CAN YOU HANDLE IT?" and, as a DJ, it makes you feel like "if it fucks up my set, why should I play your track then?"
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