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Is there an industry-standard to Psy structure?
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Chemogen
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Posted : Jul 20, 2008 18:27:37
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Like DJ's have the .7 golden rule, is there something similar with producers in regards to where the track should be when it reaches a certain bar?
Maybe I have OCD, but I feel uncomfortable when a big section doesn't end on one of the bars you see in Cubase when zooming right out.
There are parts I sometimes think need extending but then seems to throw the track off neat structure.
Will stuff get rejected by labels if it doesn't stick to a certain structural formula? |
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Fragletrollet
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Posted : Jul 20, 2008 19:39
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Chemogen
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Posted : Jul 20, 2008 20:32
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But taking a DJ perspective into consideration, I don't reckon I'd like to mix a track that can't be phrase match well with another. |
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makus
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Posted : Jul 20, 2008 20:36
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hugaw
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Posted : Jul 20, 2008 21:06
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BTW what's this .7 golden rule ??? |
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avduka
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Posted : Jul 20, 2008 22:27
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I dont think there is a exact psy structure, even if there was I wouldn't follow it. What makes an artist stand out is uniqueness not doing something that has been done over and over. Thats why I cant stand full on. Another thing that kills me with some music is the fact that its very predictable. I like surprises. I like to be tricked into thinking that the music is gonna keep going when in fact its brake time. Yes I don't mind looking like ass on the dance floor. TO me this is psytrance. So I say make your own structure and forget what everyone else is doing, just go with the flow. I have my periods when I wont listen to psytrance for months and this is when I make music that is not influenced by anything and its just me. So brake the rules, do something different and then call yourself a psy artist. |
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Seamoon
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Posted : Jul 21, 2008 12:38
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Zeyon
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Posted : Jul 21, 2008 16:42
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On 2008-07-21 12:38, Seamoon wrote:
industry-standart 4 psytrance: every 16 bars (or even 8) an uplifter with crash 
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Yeah  :/
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Mike A
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Posted : Jul 21, 2008 17:59
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On 2008-07-20 21:06, hugaw wrote:
BTW what's this .7 golden rule ???
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0.7% = 1 bpm~
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soulfood
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Posted : Jul 21, 2008 18:39
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On 2008-07-20 18:27:37, Chemogen wrote:
Like DJ's have the .7 golden rule, is there something similar with producers in regards to where the track should be when it reaches a certain bar?
Maybe I have OCD, but I feel uncomfortable when a big section doesn't end on one of the bars you see in Cubase when zooming right out.
There are parts I sometimes think need extending but then seems to throw the track off neat structure.
Will stuff get rejected by labels if it doesn't stick to a certain structural formula?
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Depends on what labels/dj's you are aiming at. If you want to do your own thing just let your ideas stream. Otherwise go out clubbing and listen to how the tunes are coming in.
I get the feeling you already know the answer to this one. |
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OpenSourceCode
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Posted : Jul 22, 2008 02:14
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jeezus christ, i hope not. |
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Meta
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Posted : Jul 22, 2008 04:26
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On 2008-07-21 16:42, Zeyon wrote:
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On 2008-07-21 12:38, Seamoon wrote:
industry-standart 4 psytrance: every 16 bars (or even 8) an uplifter with crash
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Yeah :/
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People can joke about this and make sarcastic comments all they want, but if you want DJs to play your tracks, have your phrases be 32 beats so it will, you know, ACTUALLY SYNC UP WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S MUSIC. When a producer intentionally abandons that formula, it makes a DJ playing that track sound like he doesn't know how to count or isn't paying attention.
If you aren't concerned about other people DJing your music, do whatever you want.
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DJ Electric Samurai
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Posted : Jul 22, 2008 05:16
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On 2008-07-20 18:27:37, Chemogen wrote:
Like DJ's have the .7 golden rule,
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Lol did not know u got rules, i have 1 golden rule at that is i play what i like, and so far so good  |
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Greententacle
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Posted : Jul 22, 2008 10:19
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Please PM me , then transfer 10.000 euros to my account and i send u the industrial standart norm document for psytrance (tm)! |
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the daleks
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Posted : Jul 23, 2008 07:19
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yeah, i' ve thought about this alot too, and have been for awhile the self-proclaimed king of un-structured tracks, but I have come to believe that Meta is right. 16, 32, 64, or 8 and combinations of those mixed depending on the style for easily danceable and mixable psy.
the rest is how you build the rise, and tell the story, and that is by far the harder part than stringing a bunch of 16 bar layers/patterns together, so all of you should rest easier on this discussion as it will not be giving any great secrets aways..
i have a question to add though: any guidelines for the break?
sometimes it seems pretty ambigious, and i often loose count of the bars when listening to a track at the break (probably because of the lack of beat ;-) sometimes it seems like even a half-bar, or odd numbers might work..
anyone have any ideas, guidelines or thoughts to add? Gamma Riders EP out now on iTunes and Amazon.com!
The Daleks : www.myspace.com/thedaleksupreme
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