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IS there a difference MIDI- AUDIO?
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motorik
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Posted : Mar 23, 2004 01:22
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I heard some people say that every extra process you make lower the quality of the source sound , which means if i convert my BL (from example) it will have to be processed at least twice once on the convertion and next time on the mixdown.
and if i use it in midi all track long i'll have to convert it only once on mixdown!!!
Is it true or i'm just mumbling nonsense???
(I know it's more comfortable to work with midi but i'm talking about sound quality)
Thanks in advance 
salute
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jon
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Posted : Mar 23, 2004 02:17
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work in 24 bit and forget all these issues. |
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billy ambulance
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Posted : Mar 23, 2004 13:05
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most of the artists today works with audio alone.
I export everything I got on the arrangment, but every sound gets a uniqe treatment. on the mix stage I got something like 50 audio channels with no vsts on it, so all I have to add is fine eq adjustments, some reverb, delay and ofcourse gain balance. my cpu usage don`t go over 35 and the sound is hi-quality.
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Trip-
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Posted : Mar 23, 2004 13:12
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billy - that's like - the idea of freeze .....
Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
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motorik
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Posted : Mar 23, 2004 15:53
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I don't know why but it just sounds better when i play it in midi especially bassline.
Don't get me wrong superglue i wish i had a NASA style computer.... 
but i don't so for now i mostley convert everything to audio except for Bassline, kick and prec's(on battery) !!!!!
well actualy on a second thought battery is not a real fully MIDI ins'(in quality measures midi vs. audio) because it's a sampler and as one it's only triggers Audio samples to play on a certain time.
sometime i leave one more ins' to play live midi all the way to the Mixdown ,thats happens only if i have enough CPU of course.
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Mike A
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Posted : Mar 23, 2004 16:13
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I work mostly with MIDI, mainly because my pc can handle it
I remind you that every vsti track has it's audio channel in the mixer, so basically that's working with audio, without the audio 
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bandarlog
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Posted : Mar 23, 2004 16:24
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On 2004-03-23 13:05, billy ambulance wrote:
most of the artists today works with audio alone.
I export everything I got on the arrangment, but every sound gets a uniqe treatment. on the mix stage I got something like 50 audio channels with no vsts on it, so all I have to add is fine eq adjustments, some reverb, delay and ofcourse gain balance. my cpu usage don`t go over 35 and the sound is hi-quality.
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cool! I tought I was being very amateurish rendering all my vst's and synth sounds. I work in the same way, about 60-70 audiochannels with a lot of unique efx. My cpu doesn't go below 69% though, maybe because of the reverbs. I also still use about 3 vsti's for bass and tweakable synthsounds. |
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FluoSamsara (Oxygen)
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Posted : Mar 23, 2004 16:26
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I work also mostly with midi, and even when I export to audio, normally I export dry sound and put effects on audio.
I need to be able to make changes when I want to, I hate the idea that you export everything alredy with effects and stuff and then you can edit it any longer.
But I don't use much VSTi, and when I use reaktor I export it, and most VST Fx I use are from Logic so I suppose they aren't so heavy for the program as external VST... |
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Mar 23, 2004 23:41
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fluosamsara,
you can always save versions with the unrendered versions., |
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FluoSamsara (Oxygen)
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Posted : Mar 23, 2004 23:45
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Yeah, ZilDoggo, I know....but that would just be one more thing to worry! hehe
Anyway, of course if I'm strugling with overload problems I will bounce it and import audio, I just try avoiding it... |
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eMpTy
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Posted : Mar 24, 2004 00:48
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I think running vst and au would be better sound quality as they run at 32bit floating point internaly but if you render to anything less than this it will obviously be not the same. You got to to remember 32bit files are v big though and may be impratical. |
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Mike A
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Posted : Mar 24, 2004 01:13
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Well, all of my tracks touch the 95% area while playing. Pop and clicks and stuff, but who cares. I'm too lazy to make anything audio 
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jon
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Posted : Mar 24, 2004 01:41
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yes but I think the question was : 'does bouncing down to audio early on affect the _quality_?'
The answer to the question is : not practically if you work in 24 bit.
There are _other_ reasons you might want to work with the VSTi as long as possible....
1) laziness
2) it is far quicker if you have the VSTi around when you need to change something.
I tend to convert to audio quite early, dry like FLuo says, then apply the FX to the audio. Then I export that audio wet with all its eq and FX, but keep the dry version in the project (muted with all the FX disabled).
This seems to work fine in Cubase SX..... but there are 2 small drawbacks : the project takes a long time to load (takes a lot of memory), and you get a lot of disk access after a while cos I think Cubase still reads the clip even if it is muted.
Hmm I never use the 'freeze' feature in cubase because it is FX (especially reverbs, vintage compressors eqs etc) that use all the CPU, not the VSTi. 'Freeze' doesnt freeze the FX.
I still get up to 80% or so on my crummy Athlon 2000 during mixing cos there are inevitably FX that you really want to keep around to change, e.g. the stuff on the kick and bassline, quality eqs on lots of channels, etc
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billy ambulance
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Posted : Mar 24, 2004 13:06
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On 2004-03-24 01:13, Mike A wrote:
Well, all of my tracks touch the 95% area while playing. Pop and clicks and stuff, but who cares. I'm too lazy to make anything audio
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this is very wrong mike! you are limiting your self. I bet that there are some more channles you wish to add and some more plugs you would like to add but you can`t.
mixing sound stage and mix stage is not the smartest thing to do.
when you got a part (line,fx,loop), first you got to give it sound. EQ at that stage is meant to give the part the right sound for him. you can chain filter, distorsion, flanger, chorous, eq, compressor and delay at the same channel just to make the part sound BIG but then you export your part and clean your channel from all inserts.
your CPU meter is droped back to 10%.
after you did that to all of your parts you can easyly mix all with a light eq and volume changes.
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