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Is their really a need for all that hardware?
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VCO
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Posted : Nov 21, 2003 13:52
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On 2003-11-21 12:46, NeutroN wrote:
I think you guys are moving away from the question, which is how much hardware is really needed? and what soft today can easily replace a hardware.
IMO I think their is no need to have a hardware sampler, their are loads of great soft samplers that can do the same job e.g. halion
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Hardware is necessary in order to get Simon Posford's sound.
Hardware is not necessary to get Protoculture's sound.
Hardware is necessary to get the hardware sound.
Hardware is not necessary to get the software sound.
Does that answer your question?
There are indeed many soft samplers around, but none have the Yamaha's and EMU's filters, none have the AKAI S6000's 16 outputs, they don't have the hardware sampler's sound, and all of them need CPU to run
So this makes them necessary to some people.
  A digital waveform is nothing more than an imperfect representation of the perfect analogue one. |
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FluoSamsara (Oxygen)
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Posted : Nov 21, 2003 15:11
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Yeah, but NeutroN mentioned a good point, an area where software as proved to be as usefull as software...
Samplers!
I think VST samplers can do a joob as good as hardware samplers, and the prove of it is that most Harware sampler companies are simply stoping the production of these hardware tools or trying to find some half harware half software solutions...
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-*protoculture*-
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Posted : Nov 22, 2003 02:10
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Just a quick word on this topic... firstly the one thing that obviously always has to be quality hardware is you output signal path, namely descent sound card, monitors/headphones, good quality cables etc. After that, I can't see why people fuss so much about what hardwar to use, or whether to rather go with software. I've spent some time with Mr Posford in the studio before, and I know he does'nt always use a lot of hardware. Lately he has been relying on VST's running of a PC! Your instruments, be it acoustic, digital outboard, software, analogue or whatever, is only an extension of your own imagination and capabilities as a musician. Sure, hardware will sometimes sound better or vice versa, however, your ability to use your imagination,intuition and emotions, far exceed the technical limitations/benefits of music technology today. In the end, if it sounds good.... smile and be happy! |
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solipt1c
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Posted : Nov 22, 2003 04:01
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solipt1c--> it won't help emulate it all, the digital distortion sounds like crap in VST FX. I tried so many times to get the right distortion when i record a guitar with a friend... It's just a waste of time. One good GTR amp will do the job 10x times better than any VST.
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well, which did u try?
imho, plugins like amplitube and trash do a fantastic job of amp-sim ... antares tube, vintagewarmer and others give more general 'analog' distortion (not even distortion, really, just subtle harmonics etc).
then again i dont really aim to make things sound like an analog original, only to sound good, so i dont claim they necesarily sound 'the same' as an amp.
but anyway... that wasnt what i was talking about  i was talking about the imperfections, like oscillator drift / bad tuning / a 'sine wave' osc not actually being a pure sine wave - all these things are easy to emulate and already are emulated in certain v.a. hardware + software.
also i'm talking more about the 'concept' than the reality today
a lot of ppl say "oh this will NEVER be emulated", but i still posit that once the majority of vst and vstis are based on convolution and physical modelling technology, say 10 years in the future when we all have 4 terrahz CPUs, these people might realise that you should 'never say never'
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Nov 22, 2003 10:57
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Hi..
maybe to go back to the question...
One thing you will never have in a computer is REAL analogue sound... even if there are emulated imperfections, drifts or what ever.
One that has never tried a real analogue synthe BESIDE a software one will never understand this.
A rebirth on it's own sounds .. let's say ok, for some people... in a direct comparison with an original 303 it sounds just like fisherprice for everybody.
A reactor on it's own sounds quite analogish.. but if I listen to a Juno106 or my SH1000 in a direct comparison, reactor sounds just like kitsch.
If you embed those emulated sounds with effects in an arrangement you will have difficulties to hear the difference... but some part inside of me allways FEELS IT.
So if you want to have Analoguefeeling... you will need some Analogue equipment.
The second thing is:
I need knobs and faders to be as close to the music as possible. Those knobs need to have the same functions every day, and I don't want to reconfig them every time I use them for a different softsynth (as a midicontoller)..
So if you need this direct touch with you equipment, you will also have to go for some REAL equipment.
The last thing that doesn't work for me....
I can not spend money for something that I can't touch... at least not that much.. And neither I want to steal the work of the software engs.. so I go for hardware where I have the feeling I get something for the money..
All the best
Raphi
Most of my music for you to download at:
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : Nov 24, 2003 05:53
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it was really nice to see how different people have different views on software and hardware ....
now a few words frm me 2 
[ hope this helps ]
now v all agree to this that there is software and there is hardware ...
softwares are made up of algorithms [ mathematical equations] trying to emulate real world effects [ reverbs or delays ] or hardware devices . softwares also run in hardware devices such as lexicon processors .
so in a way there is no hardware without software and vice versa ...
but it is v who have to decide at what level of production we are and where do we want to go !!!!
it is always easy to get sound frm hardware synths coz they have realtime dsp and dedicated hardware chips running all the time .
the main deal is when , can u get the sound u have / want frm any vsti ????
producing sound frm software is much more difficult than frm hardware..
so small time producers should try to get their work done frm vsti's as they normaly cant afford the h/w ...
but once ure done with ur track in software using vsts and vsti's and then if u were to substutiue everything in that with hardware , i mean eq, reverb , delay , compresion and even h/w synths , the track now should sound atleast 10 times better .
so ppl dont worry abt the hardware , but hardware anyday kicks ass
however softwares also keep getting better day by day ....so enjoy !!! |
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The 8th Sign
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Posted : Nov 24, 2003 09:05
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either way you can never have enough
software or hardware as for us muso's
it is like being a kid in a candy store...
it is all good to an extent..but play with software for now and see down the line whether you want hardware or not...
all the harware and software in the world isn't gonna make up for the most important
piece of hardware (the brain)
enjoy..
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