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Is the Psytrance tribe the Dajjals tribe ?
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Vermeee
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Posted : Apr 29, 2010 22:22
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You're talking about people like me...
And for the record we aren't Satan worshippers. You sound like one of those completely mad christian nutcases you see on evangelical tv, talking about how rock n roll is the devils music, and how everyone who doesn't subscribe to their version of reality is going to hell.
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haha u completely showed ur self a lazy bastard ass coz ur coments showed how u didnt read up the whole topic or not even the whole post...
otherwise u d not be callin me mad christian... when the point im makin is.. why they call US satanist....
 
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TranceVisuals
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Posted : Apr 29, 2010 22:32
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I never said you were one, I said you came across sounding like one... Notice the difference.... 
Who is calling you(us) satanists btw.
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Vermeee
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Posted : Apr 29, 2010 22:50
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dude if u have nothing to add in here , plz leave... the conversation was going very fine  now if u have somehting to add.. pls read the whole topic and make ur coments bout ur experiences ( if u have any ) , not judgin the others....
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TranceVisuals
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Posted : Apr 29, 2010 23:46
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Well you are talking a load of bollox about Darwinism btw, "survival of the fittest" is a lot more subtle concept than you are giving it credit for.
And "we" aren't reviving ancient tribal behaviour, rather "we" are doing what we think/imagine ancient tribes did, and probably actually didn't. At least the actual scientific/academic is sketchy at best, and mostly circumstantial and inferential. And it isn't actually "ancient tribal behaviou", all the research such as "Food of the Gods" (the original book) is on living traditions of plant use, most of which are probably only a few hundred years old.
You are mostly quoting the urban myths, or what is termed "neo-paganism"...
Anyway you didn't answer my original question "who is calling you a satanist?"
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Vermeee
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Posted : Apr 30, 2010 01:23
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in MY REALITY we are revivin the ancient tribal behaviou, if for U its different than thats okay
and u still didnt get the point of me usin the word SATAN but even then u are tryin to argue bout it ;X
im sayin that the behaviour WE ( u dont need to include u on it) have can be called satanist..( drugs dance sex freedom respect etc ) but is satanist the right word ? or are the names upsided down ? satan is god/ god s satan ?
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Apr 30, 2010 02:30
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Vermeee, it’s an interesting thread but it’s a bit hard to understand your point with all the “up is down, down is up” proclamations. Let me summarize what I got out of your posts so far and please tell me if I am anywhere close:
- There are “fake trancers” out there, who go to parties just to shock people with “evil” symbolism and prevent them from proper meditation.
- This is actually somehow a positive thing because this is a filter: those worthy of proper psy experience will ignore the imposters, those swayed by the deceivers don’t belong in the scene (and in the bigger Illumination scheme).
- About Dajjal – I am not sure I’m getting what you are saying, so I present 2 (opposite) guesses:
. Dajjal is a bad guy taking people away from proper trancing – or –
. Dajjal is leading people into the spontaneous, tribal, organic etc. life away from the structured and authoritative order (represented by state and organized religion and symbolized by all those Masonic geometric symbols) => Dajjal is cool and true and all the “mainstream” prophets (and vews associated with them) were false.
Am I getting anywhere close to what you meant? And which way did you mean it?
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Anyway, since we are using Islamic terminology, we might as well discuss it in an Islamic framework. Dajjal is merely a human. A deceiver. That’s all. There are no spells, dark magic or any other shakher-makher involved. He talks. You may listen or not. You may believe or not. The same goes for Iblis himself. He is merely a seducer. He can drop some ideas to you in a subtle way. But it’s still up to you what you do with those ideas. Not a big deal really. If you are aware of your true intentions and reasons for acting this way or another – no Iblis, Dajjal or Grand Master of Masons can persuade you to go the wrong way.
And the answer to which way is wrong and which is right is within you – not in some obscure quote from Hadith. So, even if up really is down and down really is up – you have your own compass to figure out where to go. Problem solved.
About the Judaeo-Masonic conspiracy theory: I doubt there is anything to it. First of all, how many people involved in the scene are even Jews? Especially when you account for the role Israel played in developing and popularizing this genre – you would expect every party to have plenty of Jewish participants just for historical and statistical reasons. Masons? I doubt they care (or even know) about the psy scene. Skull and Bones? They are too busy running the world to even think about your problems. And by the way – you will never find any Jews there, it’s a thoroughly WASP organization.
So, let’s just relax, listen to some Lauge & Baba Gnohm and enjoy this great international brotherhood we have.
Bom. L’haim. Hamdulla. Whatever you prefer.
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TranceVisuals
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Posted : Apr 30, 2010 12:39
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On 2010-04-30 01:23, Vermeee wrote:
in MY REALITY we are revivin the ancient tribal behaviou, if for U its different than thats okay
.....or are the names upsided down ?
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So long as you are aware of multiple realities coexisting at the sametime, we will get along fine. 
You thoughts/ideas sound very familar to the gnostic/cathar beliefs... Have you come across them before? Basically they believe that everything is a reflection of how things actually are, and that the one we call God is actually an "evil overlord" trying to rule over us, and that inside each of us is a divine spark that it/he is trying to repress. Though I don't agree with their analysis, and rejection of the "material" world as a result, it is an interesting notion.
Admittedly most of the Cathars, were killed in a mass genocide in south France by the Catholic Church and its minions in the 12th Century.
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Vermeee
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Posted : Apr 30, 2010 14:59
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So long as you are aware of multiple realities coexisting at the sametime, we will get along fine.
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yes my friend thats why i get a little upset when people sound like they are givin the ultimate truth or when they say THIS S RIGHT and THIS S WRONG...
and i never heard bout the cathars... but after many experiences, my gf ( a book eater ) told me my thoughts sounded like nietch... ( nilihism ) then i came to research bout it and i found it very similar to the way i think....
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Vermeee
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Posted : Apr 30, 2010 15:08
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hey maine... that statement is the one that says what im tryin to say :
". Dajjal is leading people into the spontaneous, tribal, organic etc. life away from the structured and authoritative order (represented by state and organized religion and symbolized by all those Masonic geometric symbols) => Dajjal is cool and true and all the “mainstream” prophets (and vews associated with them) were false."
bout the trancers.. its the oposite... we have FAKE trancers talkin bout PEACE AND LOVE, wearin suns , flowers, mandala t shirts... wearin dreadlocks made in the hair stylish for 200 bucks.... but all they wanna s to catch atention, get wasted on E pills and alcohol... and even then they keep followin the system rules... now u see a rare varity of people more darkish style which u can observe they are the one in silence enjoyin and dancin the music , and usualy those people comes in a darkish style to those YUP YUP people dont bore them...
about that statement "About the Judaeo-Masonic conspiracy theory: I doubt there is anything to it. First of all, how many people involved in the scene are even Jews? " i can assume u .. A LOT lol... whole lot ... at least here in brasil most of the party organizers are jeew... and as u might know..... psytrance started in israel.... and i agree with u bout those secret society be to busy runnnin the world... but what bout if inside their family/society they have the black sheepes ? that are openinin the gates for the commoners...
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Apr 30, 2010 18:40
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On 2010-04-30 15:08, Vermeee wrote:
hey maine... that statement is the one that says what im tryin to say :
". Dajjal is leading people into the spontaneous, tribal, organic etc. life away from the structured and authoritative order (represented by state and organized religion and symbolized by all those Masonic geometric symbols) => Dajjal is cool and true and all the “mainstream” prophets (and vews associated with them) were false."
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Then Trance Visuals was right: those are Gnostic views. About Cathars - those were just one of the sects. There were dozens of others - also wiped out by the church - earlier. They flourished in the first 2 centuries A.D., especially in Alexandria. Gnosticism is a pretty versatile system, so you can see it in mainstream religions too. Many early Christians were Gnostic (St. Augustine was initially and then turned 180 degrees). Sufi Muslims are. Kabbalic Jews are. Pretty much all Hindus are.
The main idea here is that there is the ultimate intelligence, which is far more abstract than what the "official" scriptures tell us about God. And just following all the commandments and the Law is not enough to bring you closer to It. The Law may help to keep you from a wrong path - but it's through personal enlightment that you become closer to God. And to do that you have to ignore the smoke screen life throws at you - and try to learn what's behind the apperances. To learn, to know - that's why it's called "Gnostic".
And the idea that we got the main characters wrong is out there too. Just consider the meaning of the name Lucifer, for example.
I personally take it all with a grain of salt - like any philosophical or religious views.
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bout the trancers.. its the oposite... we have FAKE trancers talkin bout PEACE AND LOVE, wearin suns , flowers, mandala t shirts... wearin dreadlocks made in the hair stylish for 200 bucks.... but all they wanna s to catch atention, get wasted on E pills and alcohol... and even then they keep followin the system rules... now u see a rare varity of people more darkish style which u can observe they are the one in silence enjoyin and dancin the music , and usualy those people comes in a darkish style to those YUP YUP people dont bore them...
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Yeah, I've seen something like this. There is a rich suburb of Detroit, that has plenty of clubs. And yuppy kids who live there (and in other plushy white suburbs around) come there to play the "underground" and "alternative" game. You'll see "Goth" girls with Gucci handbags and diamond jewelry. Or a "punk-rocker" wearing a leather jacket and worker's boots - seem fine until you realize those are about $400 each. They walk around looking very prowd and speaking loudly and use their special slang too much. There are still Goth and punk-rock kids there, who just come to meet friends and dance to the music they like. You can easily recognize them: no $400 "worker" boots, no Guccis, no show-off loud conversations. |
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