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Is the level of production of Techno really 'that' much higher than Psytrance?
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Mesq
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Posted : May 14, 2008 11:42
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This is probably the dumbest thread ever. |
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Alien Bug
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Posted : May 14, 2008 11:51
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Freeflow
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Posted : May 14, 2008 18:43
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Really who defines good production, so we dont mess it up with what a good track is...
the level of production lies in how much knowledge you got and how much time you spend using that knowledge on your track.
a more interesting question would be
"is the level of creativity of techno that much higher than psytrance!?"
id say psytrance has much more room for creativity than techno, but on the other side i dont listen to techno at all...
and id say that Psytrance and maybe DnB is one of the most advanced technical genres there is... the knowledge you get from creating psytrance is knowledge you can use in every electronical musical genre.
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~:MuZiK
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Posted : May 14, 2008 21:04
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No actually not the dumbiest. As far as psytrance production REALLY is poor.
Bad quality starts in early production (standalone sounds from synths), then bad mixing. Mastering can be pro, but what if production is bad? Mastering will not make honey from shit. Next... Making music on hi-fi (??) 
And so on... etc... Idea is just that track will be pumpin hard... Monster kick+bass and that's it!... :/
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bandarlog
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Posted : May 15, 2008 01:45
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Psytracked
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Posted : May 15, 2008 04:42
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a more interesting question would be
"is the level of creativity of techno that much higher than psytrance!?"
id say psytrance has much more room for creativity than techno, but on the other side i dont listen to techno at all...
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sorry to single you out on this discussion. If you don't listen to techno at all then how can you claim that psytrance has more room for creativity? you are obviously passionate about psytrance (that isn't a bad thing) but don't let that distort the world of music for you. All genres of music have been born from creativity. It is we the producers/musicians that are responsible for the level of creativity and not the genre.
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and id say that Psytrance and maybe DnB is one of the most advanced technical genres there is... the knowledge you get from creating psytrance is knowledge you can use in every electronical musical genre.
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psytrance is not the central hub of all electronic music. Surely?
Have you been smoking too much?
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Freeflow
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Posted : May 15, 2008 09:57
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On 2008-05-15 04:42, Psytracked wrote:
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a more interesting question would be
"is the level of creativity of techno that much higher than psytrance!?"
id say psytrance has much more room for creativity than techno, but on the other side i dont listen to techno at all...
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sorry to single you out on this discussion. If you don't listen to techno at all then how can you claim that psytrance has more room for creativity? you are obviously passionate about psytrance (that isn't a bad thing) but don't let that distort the world of music for you. All genres of music have been born from creativity. It is we the producers/musicians that are responsible for the level of creativity and not the genre.
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and id say that Psytrance and maybe DnB is one of the most advanced technical genres there is... the knowledge you get from creating psytrance is knowledge you can use in every electronical musical genre.
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psytrance is not the central hub of all electronic music. Surely?
Have you been smoking too much?
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Hello!
No problem 
Yeah maybe i didnt think so much there, im sure there is plenty of room in techno for creativity, it probably have subgenres aswell..
No psytrance isnt the Hub of all electronical
music, but its quite young yet and it involves alot of technical elements, its a great start for a electronical adventure, what i meant was that it has so many technical aspects of music creation/production so its good for everything you might want to do...
i havent smoked for 3 weeks! give me some heads up man!!  maybe thats why i reason a little strange.. |
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Psytracked
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Posted : May 15, 2008 10:20
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No psytrance isnt the Hub of all electronical
music, but its quite young yet and it involves alot of technical elements, its a great start for a electronical adventure, what i meant was that it has so many technical aspects of music creation/production so its good for everything you might want to do...
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Don't all genres of electronic music have alot of technical elements? I just get a little worried when people talk as if a particular genre has a monopoly on such things. Of course this isn't just an occurance on Psy-trance forums. Its rife everywhere.
I think I'm probably insane for dreaming of a utopian world where everyone has an open mind and we all can join hands as opposed to the schism and tribalism that keeps us divided.
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Alien Bug
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Posted : May 15, 2008 13:19
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psytrance quality = techno quality but... they are too different for rate it!
Here is too many differents in production technics of psy and other genres for rate it.
Many of techno tracks doesnt have bass (only kick) for example. How You want rate it to psy where we have (very important) 16th bass??
Its house better quality or techno or... hiphop?? this topic is stupid for me. Its not possible for rate. Its only talking about: what genre is better, or what genre I more like. Nothing more... |
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Sixofour
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Posted : May 15, 2008 21:45
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Techno and Creativity in the same sentence? You Jest! |
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Partzi Floch
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Posted : May 15, 2008 23:02
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hmmmm. Get a match EQ of some sort. Copy the curve of a brilliantly produced techno/DnB/whatever genre you like track. Apply it on your not so good because it hasn't been made with SSLs and Fairchilds mix.
Now listen to your newly processed track and ask yourself:
A. does it sound amazingly good all of a sudden ?
B. Would the guy who did that brilliant mix you just tried to copy can make a better sounding mix than you did using your own "poor" equipment ?
As for objective reasoning - I think that Techno as a genre is much (much) bigger than trance - statistically you'll have many more good producers there. I'd say the percentage of talented people in techno is probably the same as trance, or rock, or dub or whatever.
just my 2c. |
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Psytracked
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Posted : May 15, 2008 23:11
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Apparently probability is calculated from statistics and not assumptions.
SHOW ME THE STATS
SHOW ME THE STATS
SHOW ME THE STATS
SHOW ME THE STATS
SHOW ME THE STATS
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soulfood
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Posted : May 16, 2008 20:23
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I'm not with it anymore... either some of you people are maybe just a little off or I'm missing a piece and should write a letter to the creator asking for it to be sent over by FEDex post haste. But Psy trance and Techno are just 2 different types of bowl. You can put your favourite cereal in both of them and add just the right amount of milk and then sugar to taste.
Of course everything in this topic is void for the reasonI've stated many times before:
Psy trance = Techno
Psy Trance = House
Psy Trance = Electronic music
My opinion = Don't give a single shitzu.
Either way this topic really won't help your own production in the slightest, it will just give you more false confidence in belittling the work of others. |
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soulfood
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Posted : May 16, 2008 20:27
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On 2008-05-15 09:57, Freeflow wrote:
No psytrance isnt the Hub of all electronical
music, but its quite young yet and it involves alot of technical elements
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And of course many people have been making all other forms of electric tunes since the bronze age.
Yeah I'm in a bit of a pissy mood |
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psychowave
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Posted : May 16, 2008 21:13
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On 2008-04-12 11:52, wi']['ch wrote:
It's very good that people have different opinions, but I'm sorry ---> you will never convince me that productions with FL and on-board sound-card could possibly to be compared with productions in fully equipped studio with high end da/ad, analog eq's/comps/sum's, proper monitoring/acoustic treatment. Let's compare in average how many psy vs techno producers have those studios? I'm afraid techno would be far away ahead. But please don't get me wrong, i really love psy for it's musical freedom...and that's why we are here ---> YEAHHHHH! 
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I´m not comparing that man...of course if you comparing just the tool, the best tool we get a best result...this is obvious...
But the tools is just a part of a work when you are doing music...the brain and the ears do the real job...not your device stuff..
i think the discussion here is
Techno is more present in media...that generate a more money to techno producers...that producers can get more tools with these money...and maybe for that, Djones post this topic...I´m just trying tell this...
More and better tools get a more technical quality sounds...but many of ppl forget this, specially the geeks! music is a artistic activity...the flow necessary to make a good music go beyond the technical resource...this envolve the mind, the soul...and to the more skeptic people, envolve your ears..and what you understand about yours ears perception...
What i say...sayed by me, or another beginner producer can be interpreted as "beginner bullshit"...for these people I have a Ido(Domestic) quote...
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"I personnaly never trust thoeries although im quite fermilier with them , but i think 50% of the theories are just theories and the human ear cannot hear or tell the difference.
thats why i spend hours and days in the studio (like a real geek) just listening and trying things that theories do not allow and in the end - its sounds good and u could never tell that something's 'theoraticly' wrong cuz in the end your ear is the monitor if u know what i mean.
I could definitly say that the clipping in cubase is more transperent then my Lavry Blue convertors which i bought for 2500$ or my UAD Pricision Limiter which i bought for 200$.
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Leave the theories! Make music guided by your ears!
Natan |
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