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Is the level of production of Techno really 'that' much higher than Psytrance?
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klippel
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Posted : Apr 11, 2008 13:55
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clean ur ears and listen..
there is nothing such as techno better produced than psy...
there is very strong produced psy out there, ready to challenge any other track from any other electronic genre...
however, there is top notch production in all bigger scenes of the electronic music culture.. what for example is with drum´n´bass, some hot produced shit out there!
and then there is averagely and crappy produced stuff.. also in each genre...
i personally am really surprised how fuckin good some psytrance sounds given the fact there is not much money involved in the business!
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 11, 2008 14:00
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the more money the more high end gears the best the production is ... in pystrance you can do fine with free plugs  |
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Kitnam
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Posted : Apr 11, 2008 14:48
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I listen to techno constantly since a few years and I couldnt hear that the overall mixing/producing skills in techno music are that better. But offcourse the picture of sound that producers want to catch with their mix is realy different. In Fullon you want this overload and clean crystal wall of sound experience. In techno the focus is often more into delivering puristic and dry functional grooves and offcourse more smoothness very often but also very dirty sometimes (the vintage vinyl feeling). The big art sometimes is to sound like a low budget old production but realising this with very advanced technics (hard to describe that offcourse).
Both genres have outstanding producers with very high level mixing skills. |
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Tomos
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Posted : Apr 11, 2008 17:34
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Why is everybody saying more money = better?
When has that EVER been the case?
Techno is as underground as Psy, I've never considered Techno mainstream at all. Who in the Techno world is selling thousands of albums?! Nobody.
They're just as broke as us lot  |
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Djones
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Posted : Apr 11, 2008 17:43
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Well, I think there's a big difference when it comes to what big Techno Dj's make for playing a set compared to Psy Dj's.
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piXan
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Posted : Apr 11, 2008 18:43
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Ghost Host
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Posted : Apr 11, 2008 19:19
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On 2008-04-11 17:34, Tomos wrote:
Why is everybody saying more money = better?
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Cause in this world quality = money and i guess that's why money = better, common people let's face the truth, only with proper tools is possible to achieve good sounding mixes and this means it's needs many years of experience to know how to get most of it + tones of hardware processors which is regular psy artist can NOT afford and never will, i hope I'm wrong...but please open your eyes and see around --> tonnes of threads even on this board with thema labels not payed to artists or stolen trax or distributor stole all the money from sales and cd's LOL etc...this I've seen ONLY in the PSY scene, and till this rubbish would exist in here, there is NO way that quality of psy productions (in average) would be higher than techno, which is btw has legal status in many countries and building up monsters clubs with handling up to 10000 people and i believe more (in Holland) on the gigs every weekend, also check Ibiza or UK <--- mega money man! Paul van dyk, Carl cox, Scooter <--- this guys has much much more zer0s at them bank accounts than top psy producers, maybe cose of selling thousands of albums, eh?! And I'm not talking about those HOT chicks on those parties who drive people totally crazzZZy hehehe, well maybe it's only me LOL... who prefer to have nice "chat" with intelligent girl who take care about her self and going to parties to have fun, but not to kill her self with tonnes of drugs (probably to make her self to jump to the rhythm of "top psy sound" and mumbling where to get another lsd or pill to get even higher, so she can keep jumping) LOL...anyways I'm not trying to sell here techno as best productions of electronic music in the world, all i say that techno payed very much better than psy and this is genuine motivation and possibilities for artists to invest money to the equipment and produce better sounding mixes.
I LOVE PSY!
PEACE
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Kitnam
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Posted : Apr 11, 2008 21:44
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vegetal
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Posted : Apr 11, 2008 21:52
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And here we go again with a retarded topic.
Sorry wi']['ch but seriousely what does this have to do with anything at all?
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tonnes of threads even on this board with thema labels not payed to artists or stolen trax or distributor stole all the money from sales and cd's LOL etc...this I've seen ONLY in the PSY scene, and till this rubbish would exist in here, there is NO way that quality of psy productions (in average) would be higher than techno, which is btw has legal status in many countries and building up monsters clubs with handling up to 10000 people and i believe more (in Holland) on the gigs every weekend, also check Ibiza or UK <--- mega money man! Paul van dyk, Carl cox, Scooter <--- this guys has much much more zer0s at them bank accounts than top psy producers, maybe cose of selling thousands of albums, eh?! And I'm not talking about those HOT chicks on those parties who drive people totally crazzZZy hehehe, well maybe it's only me LOL... who prefer to have nice "chat" with intelligent girl who take care about her self and going to parties to have fun, but not to kill her self with tonnes of drugs (probably to make her self to jump to the rhythm of "top psy sound" and mumbling where to get another lsd or pill to get even higher, so she can keep jumping) |
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-aeon-
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Posted : Apr 11, 2008 22:10
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wi']['ch, i can only say that - respectfully - i disagree with your entire post 
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psychowave
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Posted : Apr 11, 2008 22:56
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money = better quality sound...that´s not true...
Put your mother in a really good studio..with all hardware synths, the best DAW...a perfect acoustcally..with the best softwares...all of the best stuff...and tell to she make a psytrance sound...
I have sure...she will not make nothing..
But put a Astrix in a notebook with a onboard soundcard and the FL studio inside a pool...I have sure..you will have a really good sound...
of course if you have money...you will have a good stuff..and you will make a better sound...but the stuff is just a tool...what can do with the tool is the important point.
my english is bad...but u can understand!
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sly
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Posted : Apr 12, 2008 01:54
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not at all.
it's a long time i've been messing around with 'techno'. the average is not one cent better than in psy stuff. it's the direct opposite.
honestly
but what kind of electronic music do you exactly mean with techno? for me it is something in between richie hawtin, jeff mills and chris liebing (just for example).
music that grew from detroit has never had the best quality, but a lot of very well underground productions.
i think there are some superior (progressive) house tracks you can hear a good producer with some expensive equipment and mastering.
and in all genres you will find ingenious producers, especially in psy and dnb. and if they have the equipment...
but in general money is not that important. many top tracks came out of nowhere.
all that techhouseminimalelectro stuff that the clubs play 24/7 these days i cannot really judge cause it always sounds the same. some good samples... (and a little bit of 'well produced something').
but nobody really knows what techno is. every 4/4 dancemusic has been called techno somewhere along the way. everywhere the same thing... good and bad stuff.
the difference is in the music, in the (abstract) art of expression.
that's why i prefer psy 
there are no really bounds anymore, many psy artists produce 'techno'-like stuff. and it's even better than the average.
somebody asked for names. here you are:
juan atkins, derrick may, kevin saunderson, carl craig, jeff mills, mike banks, robert hood, claude young, richie hawtin, carl cox, dave clark, luke slater, technasia, ben sims, marco carola, umek, the advent, cristian vogel, oliver lieb, sven väth, alter ego, chris liebing, speedy j., adam beyer, cari lekebusch, henrik b, glenn wilson, ignition technician, dj rush, dj murphy, gayle san, d.a.v.e. the drummer, marco bailey, marco v., hardfloor, alexander kowalski, vitalic, slobodan, michael burkat & lars klein, marco remus, josh wink, dj koze, mauro picotto...
my favourites: glenn wilson (producer), jeff mills (dj)
this names just dropped into my mind, associated with techno. some are more 'old school' others do more djing, but for some big names... some good shit i have on vinyl, but they didn't put a name on it 
just one thing. there's no better production in techno but better dj's! sometimes.
all you dj's, start mixing detroit techno: 3 turntables, 50 vinyls, 1 hour, no time for smoking but fun as hell
djing in techno is imo almost as important as production. from all the monotonous beats the dj can create something totally new that blows you away... and you learn to match beats in 30 sec's 
cheers
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piXan
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tHuJoN
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I can't realy say techno is better production ...
lets say in trance u use about 90 channels may abit more or less ...
in Techno mutch less ... i guess 30 channels is already a lot ... u just can concentrate a bit more on each channel ... and may tweak stuff a bit different ...also often different sounds then psytrance ...
i think its more difficut to have a good mix in 90 channels as with 30 ... and also the same about harmonising the channels is more difficult as more as you have ...
psytrance is often top notch production ... also techno ...
some artist are more quality some less in both styles ...
sometimes i hear tracks in techno parties who are not well produced ...but the ideas are genious and that makes the track also somehow high quality for me ...
In Trance quality is more important to me as in techno ... don't ask me why ...
trance is different sounding ...
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Ghost Host
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Posted : Apr 12, 2008 11:52
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It's very good that people have different opinions, but I'm sorry ---> you will never convince me that productions with FL and on-board sound-card could possibly to be compared with productions in fully equipped studio with high end da/ad, analog eq's/comps/sum's, proper monitoring/acoustic treatment. Let's compare in average how many psy vs techno producers have those studios? I'm afraid techno would be far away ahead. But please don't get me wrong, i really love psy for it's musical freedom...and that's why we are here ---> YEAHHHHH! 
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