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Is the level of production of Techno really 'that' much higher than Psytrance?
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Djones
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Posted : Apr 10, 2008 19:37:07
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I've seen many posts with people claiming that the quality of production of Techno music is much higher than Psytrance.
Is that because labels in the Psy scene don't really care that much?
Or is it that the Psy scene is that small, that even not very well produced albums are being released, where you wouldn't stand a change in the Techno scene, just because there are so many more artists with top level production around? |
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piXan
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Posted : Apr 10, 2008 20:04
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i think thats like saying that hard rock has better production than underground punk music. it may be true in some sense, better equipment , mastering etc. But being a undeground style of music, it doesnt have to compromise in the musical or artistic side, so i think some artist have more creative productions than mainstream techno, and thats the appeal for me. but theres a lot of badly produced psy that gets out now, thats true. i just dont listen to it.
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Tomos
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Posted : Apr 10, 2008 21:18
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Are we talking about the same style of music? Just the name seems really ambiguous to most people.
Real 'Techno I would say is the stuff from Detroit and Hackney London styles.
My friend is the biggest techno collector ever, he owns more than anyone I've ever met. (rooms and rooms of it). All different varieties from a lot of different countries.
Having had long sessions with him I'd have to say that the standard of production is actually fairly average.
But I think a lot of effort goes into different parts of different styles of music. Techno has all its focus on the percussion and repetitive complicated beats. Plus it has to all sound raw and driving, there is no room for nice delay and reverb to give it a 'spacey' feel.
But you know.. theres good and bad in every genre.
Techno has its superstars too. |
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RenderingRebel
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Posted : Apr 10, 2008 21:28
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Its just more original most of the time
Differnt basslines differnt kicks differnt snares differnt melodys.
When i collect techno,minimal techhouse and stuff like that i hear alot more diversity within one style
But i think top artists of fullon match in top artists in techno for sure.
Checkout the new minimal project of Wrecked Machines, Velkro
really good production here, and theres more
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Ghost Host
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Posted : Apr 10, 2008 22:06
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techno = more money = better equipment = better sound
C'est la vie 
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Djones
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Posted : Apr 10, 2008 22:22
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On 2008-04-10 22:06, wi']['ch wrote:
techno = more money = better equipment = better sound
C'est la vie
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Well that I don't really agree with.
As for a couple of thousand Euros you can create quite an impressive little home studio with all the necessary equipment to make topproductions.
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anigbrowl
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Posted : Apr 10, 2008 22:24
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I think that's rubbish. It's true that with psytrance there is (usually) a lot more going on, so if you do not have an excellent mix then the track can sound like confusing mush. And there are such tracks out there, that maybe sound nice on an IPod or home system but sound terrible on a big PA.
But then there's a LOT of techno tracks that are just not very interesting or challenging in musical terms. I have read quite a few interviews with producers in various genres (hard house, ____ techno, kinds of hip hop) where they talk and talk about all the production they did, but when you go and listen to the track it is nothing remarkable by psy standards. For me the definitive feature of psy goa is that although things repeat they are always changing timbrally and so you get a sense of continuous movement and development.
With other techno genres there is so little timbral change that the repitition is much more important but personally I find those very boring to listen to. guess if you are working on some minimal piece that is pure four-to-the floor you are going to spend more time adjusting every single individual sound to be perfect...but to me that's like one of those modern paintings where you just have a blue rectangle on a red background and the critics are raving about it.
I was in an art museum a few weeks ago and they were making a big deal about a new exhibit, so my girlfriend and I went to see it...think of a large canvas divided in 2 horizontally, with the top and bottom half being different colors. There were about 20 of these. Each one had a little card beside it with some art critic writing about the quality of the brushwork or the particular colors that were used.
In this case I feel you have to write something about the 'amazing' texture of the painting because the actual image is boring. For me it's the same when I hear people say techno production is so much better. I feel it is just a higher ration of production time to musical composition time. If you have just 3 or 4 musical elements and you spend 85% of the studio time polishing these sounds, then people are going to talk a lot about the production because there is nothing much to talk about in the music itself.
That doesn't mean it's bad of course, I don't want to sound like I am pissing on other styles. There is a art of simplicity as well as an art of complexity. However, when someone uses the language of one to talk about the other, they are usually lying 
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Ghost Host
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Posted : Apr 10, 2008 22:37
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On 2008-04-10 22:22, Djones wrote:
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On 2008-04-10 22:06, wi']['ch wrote:
techno = more money = better equipment = better sound
C'est la vie
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Well that I don't really agree with.
As for a couple of thousand Euros you can create quite an impressive little home studio with all the necessary equipment to make topproductions.
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I'm sorry, but i don't think so...maybe for this money u can get only 1 speaker-monitor for those top productions  |
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Get-a-fix
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Posted : Apr 10, 2008 23:50
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I haven't really listened to a lot of techno so i can't comment on how much better production might be compared to psytrance.
However maybe the fact that techno will have less elements & layers in a track when compared to a psytrance tune has something to do with it. It'll be a little easier making things sound nice & phat if you've got less elements occupying & fighting for space in a mix.
As for the money factor, sure it helps to have high end gear but it's not worth shit if you don't know how to use it.
You could get on by well enough if you have the right skills & a good monitoring environment.
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MishaCore
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Posted : Apr 11, 2008 02:45
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what's techno anyway? yeah i know how it sounds but seriously can someone recomend me some good techno? please mention the big names too, i just don't know how to define techno...i swear to god i'm not kidding |
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Posted : Apr 11, 2008 07:21
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Posted : Apr 11, 2008 08:46
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techno has higher level of production than psytrance?
that's news to me!
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aXis
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Posted : Apr 11, 2008 09:14
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top psytrance is TOP production even can b compared to britney spears production . But i reallllly dont know about the mastering |
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Apr 11, 2008 11:38
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There's just more of it, so chances are bigger that something good is produced. Also the chances that something REALLY good is produced are increased. Those top productions are what people outside the genre get to hear most of the time. I think there's also a larger amount of badly produced techno, since there are a lot of inexperienced producers with whacky gear. So in my perception it's just a matter of scale. But yeah, the Trentemoller and Tobi Neumann stuff sounds spot-on. |
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MadScientist
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Posted : Apr 11, 2008 13:00
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On 2008-04-11 07:21, anigbrowl wrote:
http://techno.org/electronic-music-guide/
Just go to this website for 2 or 3 hours. As well as excellent music history, there are lots of canonical examples for every genre, and it's funny.
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I didnt even know that psytrance has genres such as "death trance" and "buttrock goa"
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