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Is Sidechaining a must?
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chans
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Posted : Apr 4, 2011 14:00
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sidechain may be used as a mix tool (eg. kick n bass)or creatively to add groove (like kick and pads/chords/atmospheres). i often find myself using sidechain when i have two different instruments playing together and occupying similar frequency ranges. so if i have the kick and the bass coinciding at the same time and frequency, sidechaining can help move the bass out f the way without drastically eqing it. if it's a regular k-b-k-b- pattern i dont see the point in sidechaining. none the less, it's good use it, subtly, wherever possible. like sidechaining vocals to a pad/guitars so that the pad ducks, making room for the vocals to breathe. This creates more dynamics and movement in the mix, kinda making it come to life when one instrument 'moves' in response to another. (like q&a). |
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 4, 2011 14:09
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look on the net sidechain is a very vague term.. there is lots of production technics that use sidechain. sidechaining bassline is one of them but sidechain is so much more than that. |
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kabbalisticvillage
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Posted : Apr 4, 2011 14:35
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Nectarios
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Posted : Apr 4, 2011 14:44
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generally you have more time to get the vaccum effect on slower tempos. there is always the trasparent sidechainchaining. just a bit of gain reduction to fit things in nicely without actually feeling the effect.
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chans
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Posted : Apr 4, 2011 15:44
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On 2011-04-04 14:44, disco hooligans wrote:
there is always the trasparent sidechainchaining. just a bit of gain reduction to fit things in nicely without actually feeling the effect.
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true...a lot of fx in that case should be used sparingly. u know there's somethin going on but it has to be subtle enough to not be able to tell what exactly it is since all the processing u do in a mix have an overall cumulative effect. a good thing to do is to always bypass n compare. there should not be much of an audible difference between the effected and the dry sound |
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MॐZC4L1†0
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Posted : Apr 5, 2011 04:23
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On 2011-04-04 14:35, kabbalisticvillage wrote:
ok fine..but why does it seem to work better with slower bpm's....music like psykovsky,terranoise,psy like that..is that sidechained?
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i am starting to produce... in anyway i mean like psykovsky or kindzadza (i wish!!) but i guess you could say im on the same line... and i do sidechain my bassline with the kick... sometimes other stuff aswell 
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 5, 2011 05:18
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automating the volume can work great too , take a bit more time but it s possible to be more creative |
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Posted : Apr 5, 2011 11:02
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Sidechaining is not a must. Rule would be 'do what sounds good'. With a good kickdrum and bass you can do k-b-b-b without playing k and b at the same time and still sound good. You can get more agressive and psycho sound that way.
When you sidechain try different things, you dont have to always change volume. Certain EQ ranges sound fine (like letting the high frequencies play with kick). And try making a whole channel with muted sidechainers, play with different shapes (like automating bass volume with uplifters).
Once more im suggesting people to be less organized. This music all about having fun making it  Stick with all the crazy ideas you got when you start making
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mudpeople
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Posted : Apr 5, 2011 13:25
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Its so not a must, personally I avoid any kind of compression as much as I can.
Basically the only reason to sidechain is if, post EQ, you still have bass and kick interacting in a way that causes that psychoacoustic masking thingy. If you can hear the kick and all the bass notes just fine without sidechaining then I dont see a reason to use it.
Sometimes, even using kicks and bass that sound different enough from each other is enough, in my experience.
Though, if not sidechaining, when you have a kick note when usually having a bass note, for example
-bbb-bbb-bbb-bbb
k----k----k----k-k--
you will have masking unless you edit out the bass note. Some find this tedious but Ive become accustomed to it and automatically edit the bass notes out.
My rule of thumb regarding compression, is when its necessary, make it transparent. It shouldn't change the sounds being compressed unless thats your goal (IE with percussion i like hard fast compression to make it sound similar and mesh better in my ears), so if youre sidechaining it shouldnt change one or the other element's sound, rather, make both elements stand out equally whereas before one was more 'up front' than the other.
And to compress only after EQ, filtering, and all other options fail, and as one of the final mixing steps.
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Larrikin
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Posted : Apr 5, 2011 14:18
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woodster77
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Posted : Apr 5, 2011 14:26
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anyone use the kick and bass solver by infected mushroom
sidechaining eq of sorts
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 5, 2011 15:58
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nope but sometimes i just use a other chanel for the first notes after the kick and process it differently , give more control imo |
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Apr 5, 2011 23:51
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On 2011-04-04 01:44, A.Rosengren wrote:
I guess it also depends on what type of music you are doing, if you are making 170bpm KBBBKBBB I guess you can go without it. It will sound like shit anyway. Oh no he did it again.
However if you are serious about music production I believe it is very important to master all aspects of fitting elements to work nicely together, one of which methods is sidechaining.
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I dont agree with you here. I consider myself to be a very serious artist (when it come to my music and my production) and I've done a big number of releases - most without Sidechain and IMO they sound pretty good without. You can easily live without Sidechain.
When that is said. I also use Sidechain and like the way I can raise the Kick inthe mix (I use it especially in House and Tech House). But it's certainly not a must (and I dont make fast bpm music).
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willsanquil
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Posted : Apr 6, 2011 00:19
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I think A's post was more along the lines of
'there are a lot of techniques out there for fitting elements together, one of which is sidechaining'
as opposed to
'you need sidechaining to have a professional sound'
That's how I read it anyways.
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Apr 6, 2011 00:29
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wills nailed it.
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