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is protoculture comercial??
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Shiranui
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Posted : Jul 23, 2010 03:37
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His new album sounds more like astrix than protoculture to me |
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lord_bhairava
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Posted : Jul 23, 2010 05:57
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well, i like some songs of protoculture like circadians but i never think he was a real psychedelic artist, so some weeks ago i heard the new protoculture cd, i beggining to hear good power morning songs but in the end ˇ oh surprise ! there are a song of minimal techno or something who want hear like that, you know low bpm, the same recipe sounds etc, so that probes hes a little faker, i dunno if he is commercial, maybe he just dont understand well the term true music, but dont care there are many of true psychedelic musicians out there. |
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pr0fane
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Posted : Jul 23, 2010 17:24
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My opinion (including a bit of copy/paste from my post in the review-thread:
http://forum.isratrance.com/protoculture-love-technology-nano-records/
I don't think Protoculture's new album is that cheesy or commercial actually. Sure, generally it's more straightforward and more easily digestible than his earlier (and the other Nano Records) output, but there are definitely good elements in here.
Instead of using the age-old "commercial", "cheesy" or "he's in it for the money argument" maybe the fact is, that he just loves trance-music? Although I love techno and minimal, I don't see his current route as more commercial than many more artists are taking down the tech, minimal or electro house-routes, which are definitely much more popular at the moment. Also, much more money are to be made making music for tv, ads etc instead of releasing an album on Nano Records (and I'm saying that despite that I'm a huge fan of Nano Records).
As I see it his new album is pure trance (with a few exceptions bordering towards progressive house). Full-on without hundreds of those annoying "killer" breakdowns in every track, but pure, uplifting melodies, big, reverbed stabs and massive pads.
My personal gripe is with some of the vocals, and when the leads take that sharp, over the top israeli (think later Astrix) route - and I don't think they cater a lot to a broader, typical audience of regular radio listeners.
There are times where it still shines through that Protoculture can make some truly outstanding melodies though, and he made so much great music in the past that still sounds amazing. Tracks like "New Directions", "Peekaboo", "Oceanic", the 2004 Glastonbury Live Edit of "Magnetik", "Sweet Fine Crystaline" and many more tracks are still among the best morning full on ever made in my opinion.
He didn't take quite the direction I was hoping for on the new album, but I think it's ok.
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pr0fane
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Posted : Jul 23, 2010 17:31
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On 2010-07-23 05:57, lord_bhairava wrote:
well, i like some songs of protoculture like circadians but i never think he was a real psychedelic artist, so some weeks ago i heard the new protoculture cd, i beggining to hear good power morning songs but in the end ˇ oh surprise ! there are a song of minimal techno or something who want hear like that, you know low bpm, the same recipe sounds etc, so that probes hes a little faker, i dunno if he is commercial, maybe he just dont understand well the term true music, but dont care there are many of true psychedelic musicians out there.
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Sure it's the right CD you listened to? There is no minimal techno on his album, but I guess everything low bpm is "faking" and can't be classified as "true music" or "true psychedelic music".
By the way - have you ever heard of Shpongle? Sensient? Boris Brejcha? DJ pr0fane (Iboga Records) | Multiphase
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The_Guardians_Of_Truth
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Posted : Jul 23, 2010 17:42
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On 2010-07-23 17:24, pr0fane wrote:
My opinion (including a bit of copy/paste from my post in the review-thread:
http://forum.isratrance.com/protoculture-love-technology-nano-records/
I don't think Protoculture's new album is that cheesy or commercial actually. Sure, generally it's more straightforward and more easily digestible than his earlier (and the other Nano Records) output, but there are definitely good elements in here.
Instead of using the age-old "commercial", "cheesy" or "he's in it for the money argument" maybe the fact is, that he just loves trance-music? Although I love techno and minimal, I don't see his current route as more commercial than many more artists are taking down the tech, minimal or electro house-routes, which are definitely much more popular at the moment. Also, much more money are to be made making music for tv, ads etc instead of releasing an album on Nano Records (and I'm saying that despite that I'm a huge fan of Nano Records).
As I see it his new album is pure trance (with a few exceptions bordering towards progressive house). Full-on without hundreds of those annoying "killer" breakdowns in every track, but pure, uplifting melodies, big, reverbed stabs and massive pads.
My personal gripe is with some of the vocals, and when the leads take that sharp, over the top israeli (think later Astrix) route - and I don't think they cater a lot to a broader, typical audience of regular radio listeners.
There are times where it still shines through that Protoculture can make some truly outstanding melodies though, and he made so much great music in the past that still sounds amazing. Tracks like "New Directions", "Peekaboo", "Oceanic", the 2004 Glastonbury Live Edit of "Magnetik", "Sweet Fine Crystaline" and many more tracks are still among the best morning full on ever made in my opinion.
He didn't take quite the direction I was hoping for on the new album, but I think it's ok.
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I agree with you. If you look at this album strictly from the "psy listeners" view, it sounds commercial, but if you look from a straight musical perspective it's not a bad "Trance" album.
I am not blaming him for taking this direction, since i am also personally more attracted today, on the Trance side maybe more than the psychedelic side. But my attraction is not for the modern trance sound, but for the old trance sound of the '90.
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Posted : Jul 23, 2010 17:44
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ThiagoNAKA
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Posted : Jul 23, 2010 17:50
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I would say that Protoculture is very POPULAR.
I understand that ppl can change their mind about music, but it's been a while Nate is doing this kind of music.
From my personal view, since the first album he changed the direction of his tracks. No more tracks like Ultrafunktional that I used to like so much.
But I also like the direction he took. And very much. Indeed it has some isra/Astrix/s feel, but what's wrong? Do u think it's easy to achieve this kind of feelling? Thousand of artists tried to copy Astrix, and maybe only Nate was capable of getting that feel(its about feellings not sounds only). Not even from Israel u listen nice trance based tracks imho. Just to mention: Sweet Fine Crystaline is a killer track! But it has similar "vibe" than Crystal Sequence for me.... Is it bad??? NO WAY! 
From last Nate's album I would say that only one track I would call comercial: the low bpm one! This kind of track I don't expect to listen at trance album, and for me it's like :"Look I can make tracks like this also!"
Just my 2 cents...
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Shiranui
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Posted : Jul 23, 2010 19:56
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The second track "Naked" is pretty mainstream sounding but it's also pretty good.
All of the tracks on the new album have the same kind of breakdown-buildup-anthem structure that I'm tired of hearing in electronic music. kind of disappointing because he didn't use to fall into that trap.
It's still heads above the likes of skazi, eskimo, mekkanikka... |
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kurita
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Posted : Jul 24, 2010 17:09
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I think that this guy know how to make enjoble music in every style.... I like "Naked" as much as I liked 'Terra Tronics' before....... |
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DETOX
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Posted : Jul 24, 2010 18:05
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There is no such a thing as commercial psytrance.
Protoculture is selling something like 2000-3000 cds worldwide at best so how the heck can someone call his music commercial?
How the music sounds to each one's ears is another story though.
Electronic Music is an underground music in its whole except very very few exceptions that have achieved wider success like Tiesto and Armin Van Buuren for example.
So stop calling any psy trance artist commercial (from Astrix to Skazi and from Protoculture to Eskimo) because this is not the case.
You want to call their music "cheesy" then do it, you want to call their music "easy listening" then do it, you want to call their music "crap" then do it but dont use the term commercial because its a very funny term.
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MॐZC4L1†0
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Posted : Jul 24, 2010 18:14
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On 2010-07-22 13:43:10, psytik wrote:
is protuculture comercial ??
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Not sure if comercial.... maybe lame????
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PoM
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Posted : Jul 24, 2010 18:19
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problem is the scene is divised,some love comercial some hate it and its not only the music,it s the same with parties.
but imo when it s not done for the money it s always better ,parties or music.. |
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Jul 24, 2010 19:37
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Before people rip off artists heads because the artist change style etc. you should ask the artist if he/she like the music. If it's a yes then it's not commercial in the sense of making music to cash in.
There is nothing wrong in making money from music. No one tell you guys it's wrong that you make money from your day jobs
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Jul 25, 2010 16:18
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Detox, your logic is flawless but kinda irrelevant in this discussion. The terms “commercial art” and “commercial artist” have a specific meaning. It means that a piece of art was created with the express purpose of selling it. How many copies were sold or whether revenues outpaced costs – those things are completely irrelevant. It’s just like “industrial rock” is a term in itself. The fact that most of it is not produced in steel mills or textile warehouses is irrelevant. So, no amount of explaining what the word “industrial” means is going to help here.
When a producer writes his music with an eye on what sells at the moment – it’s commercial music, that’s it. Sometimes composers don’t hide this fact and churn formulaic clones. Other times they can cleverly disguise their intent by producing interesting, yet commercially viable, music. Let’s not forget that almost all classical music was commercial to begin with. 
When somebody wrote music straight from his heart, it’s not “commercial music”, even if it became a super-hit and made him a millionaire.
Just my 2 C.
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DETOX
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Posted : Jul 25, 2010 23:37
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Maine Coon i am sure that Protoculture just like every artist out there is creating music straight from his heart,how the music will sound to the rest of us and whether it will sell or not its another story.
Some years ago (2006-2007) i remember asking Dino Psaras (in a hotel room along with Dado) why doesnt he produce the same music like he did in the past and why he changed into a more "commercial" style.
His answer was very simple.What Dino told me is that he just cant produce the same kind of music all over the years because he just got bored and he wanted to experiment and explore new fields in the music production. I got the same answer from many many artists during the years including Deedrah, Joti, Electric Universe and many many more.
What the artists are doing is exactly what we are also doing, i dont think that a person can listen to the same kind of music all through his life, for example me i started with euro trance (2Unlimited,Scooter,Jam & Spoon) then moved to more psychedelic trance sounds, then moved to progressive and ambient and now i am into various kinds of music from soundtracks to greek music and from pop music to some world music stuff.
People evolve and change their tastes and artists are people too so throughout their career and life they will change their taste a lot of times.
You can like or dislike an artists music but you dont have the right to accuse him of why he is producing that kind of music because thats his choice and taste.
P.S Global Superstars like Tiesto,PVD,AVB and Paul Oakenfold used to be really underground a decade ago when Oakey was releasing Astral Projection and Mystica tunes and Tiesto was compiling cds with trance anthems, after a point they got bored and changed their taste and moved to different kinds of music especially Oakenfold who has experimented with various remixes on artists such us Madonna,Bjork,U2,Depeche Mode and more.
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