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Is mixing really a good thing?
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RK9
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Posted : Oct 20, 2008 10:09:56
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I'm a newbie to the scene but from what I've read traditionally DJs at goa parties did not mix the tracks.
It still seems kind of reflected in the structure of psytrance tracks: Where house/trance and other club music types tend to start and end with a beat and have breakdowns in the middle, psytrance tracks tend to start and end with ambient parts and the whole middle part has the beat.
So when DJs mix the tracks, like 80% of the ambient parts are cut out. I guess this is good if you're dancing all night on E but when on psychedelics this gets a little relentless, plus for some songs the intro is the best part, imo.
I think that the only reason DJs mix tracks anymore is to show that they can  I don't think it's really necessarily the best way to present them. |
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Kitnam
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Posted : Oct 20, 2008 10:39
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go out, start to dj and share your vision.
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kriz
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Posted : Oct 20, 2008 10:53
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razzz_
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Posted : Oct 20, 2008 13:53
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for me 90 % of the set should be beatmixed, when you ask a lot of money for your dj'ing....
well... i like acid a lot....but i don't like to many pauses in the music.... there are only few who don't beatmix but can make a good set....
besides, full on and progressive is so easy to beatmix
so if you don't, then why dj??? you're only taking a place someone deserves even more than you IMO
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Ascension
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Posted : Oct 20, 2008 15:37
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Listen to some more psy 
There are plenty of breaks in the middle sections of tracks.
Intros are meant to build up the track and aren't necessary to be heard after the first track. This is why a skilled dj can pick a track with a good intro to play first and one with a good outro to play last.
Although, a dj set is about telling a story/creating a mood, so if you can do this properly without beatmatching, more power to you. I find most unbeatmatched sets to have 0 energy since the tempo dies down at the end of the outro/beginning of the intro.
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pr0fane
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Posted : Oct 20, 2008 16:03
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I don't mean that sets should necessarily be beatmixed all the way through, but why do we always have to uncritically look at what DJ's did in Goa 10, 15 or even 20 years ago? It was a different time and the technical possibilities back then were very limited compared to now. DJ pr0fane (Iboga Records) | Multiphase
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RK9
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Posted : Oct 20, 2008 21:29
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The way I think of it is: beatmixing was originally invented in the disco era, when tracks didn't have breakdowns, so that they could have the beat going all night and you could dance continuously (for all those 70s people on cocaine)
but if your tracks already have breakdowns, then that reason isn't really there anymore |
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CRX(HSS Records)
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Posted : Oct 20, 2008 21:36
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some say that play from intro to intro is the original way to play-something that it sounds quite logical to me since
they played with DATS- but nowadays getting a DJ Set fee without the basics(Beatmatching at least) its a bit m..kia.
Anyway some people do it very either way
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phasetech
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Posted : Oct 21, 2008 02:12
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No breaks  Only bassline & rhythm shifting and morphing.. Thats the beauty of dj-ing.. matching tracks like matching a puzzle
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800 Deathsticks
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Posted : Oct 21, 2008 02:40
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I like a good breakdown as much as the next person, and if the track has a nasty intro that flows out of the last track...it can be nice to mix in like that....BUT too many big breaks kills the vibe for me, and anyway plenty of tracks have awesome breakdowns in the middle that dont drop the energy in the same way many intros do. And yes i like to know that the DJ up there not only has good track selection, but also has some amount of technical proficiency....otherwise they might as well play off an Ipod....and thats not exactly djing to me
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mudpeople
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Posted : Oct 21, 2008 03:35
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I think its up to the dj themselves to do what they feel is best, and if that means playing intros, then thats cool. Personally I feel that by playing too many intros in a set draws it out and can detract from the whole tranced-out dancing aspect. My favorite moments on the dancefloor haev always been when I realize that Ive been dancing for X hrs without noticing, and, to me, the best way to get that effect is to have the music go on and on and on, flowing one track into the next. Too many pauses can interrupt that flow.
But, again thats IMO and the way I personally like to mix. This music isnt about always doing it the same way, after all, and its definitely not about setting arbitrary boundaries.
Just remember, things weren't as good in the old days as they seem now. Hind sight is always perfect. So, just cuz they used DATs and didnt beatmatch back before everything got huge, back in the 'good old days', doesnt mean thats the best way to do it.
Goa Gil still plays DATs though and can lay down a damn fine rocking, despite a few trainwreck-sounding side effects of no pitch control.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Oct 21, 2008 12:15
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Beat mixing is essential.
Nothing beats a flowing set with seamless mixing, changing the key of the bassline into some new hammering tune. Most intros have some percussive /drum element anyhow, so you'd still need to mix on the beat.
Besides, most tunes have some sort of a breakdown, playing intros and outros is just too much time without a beat.
Stopping the flow when the party is on fire, is definitely not what you'd wanna be doing and trainwrecks are about the worse thing, after poor tune selection.
Its a piece of piss to mix two tunes together anyway and "DJs" who can't mix a beat to save their lives should not be on stage playing tunes.
Taste is personal so I won't comment on tune selection, but technically, Goa Gill is about the worst DJ I've ever listened to...although it's been about 9 years from the last time I heard him play out, as I am not into that kind of music, so I hope he's gotten better.
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RK9
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Posted : Oct 21, 2008 12:50
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I just can't imagine hearing a song like gamma goblins part 2 without the intro  I mean if I were ever to play that track out, you bet you would be hearing the whole track, that intro is just killer |
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RK9
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Posted : Oct 21, 2008 12:55
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As it is right now I'm broke and I only have my vinyl turntables, so I'm pretty much stuck spinning happy hardcore (which is all I really have on vinyl) until I can afford to buy CDJs |
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hallucinator
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Posted : Oct 21, 2008 17:33
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