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Dimitri
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Posted : Oct 3, 2004 16:18
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Ok i explain other way . You used Ricky Martin CD as example of bad compression when it is mastered by sound designers with much more expirience than you and on much better equipment .
Now you say that Ricky Martin CD , i assume every POP CD have same definition in your lexicon , so his CD have overcompressing and distorted which caused by overlimiting.Next you say that limiting and compression are personal(depends if you want sound dirty or clean) . So what the point in what you say ?
So my question is : How can you say such statement ?
From what i see here it is harder to make clean sound than "overcompress" distorted signal . I don't think you right according to what i read before .
Hard is to know how exacly to make something that you want to achive. |
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orik
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Posted : Oct 3, 2004 17:11
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again it depends...as for the ricky martin cd
i think it sounds shit and distorted, when
i mean that if you analyz it i mean you look aty the wave form eithin any mastersing program, and youl see that the wave peaks
are squar waves, caused by the use of mass
limiting, the distortion is caused by the limmiting because of the fact that above a certain threshold there wont be any output
wich dosnt let the peak of the wave to take its original shape but squash it till the peaks are squar, as for full on dance music
like brod sayd compression is a nessacity
for loudness, and the powerfull fealing
your looking from it! but unless its done proparly and dosnt distort the shit out of it!
again dimitri its about what you want to acheave theres no black and white in audio! |
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orgytime
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Posted : Mar 11, 2009 00:17
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hi, i found this old thread and just read a
little bit about loudness on wikipedia and got some questions.
- i reach loudness with compressors/limiters if i push the quiter frequencies or kill the to high peaks, to push the overall volume to the maximum, right?
- that means in result i lose dinamic range, right? /and is this good or bad?
- how much a mastering engenier effects the loudness?
- i noticed that in newer psy tracks the kick seems to be less loud/important, is this a trend, or is this the victim of the loudness war?
tried to write everything clearly arranged^^
cheers
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~d2~
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Posted : Mar 11, 2009 00:19
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What do you want us to tell you?
Yes the more you compress/limit the less dynamic range. 
Which is better. You will have to decide that for yourself. |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Mar 11, 2009 00:20
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On 2009-03-11 00:17, orgytime wrote:
- i reach loudness with compressors/limiters if i push the quiter frequencies or kill the to high peaks, right?
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Yes, except it's not specific frequencies you're 'pushing', that's more what EQ does (  @ Seth)
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Yes. Whether it's good or bad depends on whether you like what you hear or not.
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Depends on the track, but potentially quite a lot.
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Potentially a victim of the loudness war; with less bass in the mix it's possible to bring the perceived level of the track even higher. Lots of bass in kick and bassline makes it harder to make a loud master without pumping.
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~d2~
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Posted : Mar 11, 2009 00:21
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On 2009-03-11 00:17, orgytime wrote:
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- how much a mastering engenier effects the loudness?
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They don't |
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orgytime
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Posted : Mar 11, 2009 00:21
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Elad
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Posted : Mar 11, 2009 04:30
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orgytime
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Posted : Mar 11, 2009 09:00
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On 2009-03-11 04:30, Elad wrote:
here is small mastering example on one of my tracks
im sure there is huge diffrence , 200% better imo due to use of eq compressor and limiter..
http://www.sendspace.com/file/axqlie
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just checked it with the cheap speakers at work... this is unbeleveable... www.soundcloud.com/orgytime |
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Elad
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Posted : Mar 11, 2009 11:35
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i have to mention its out of my album 'soundscool' mastering done by simon polinsky (australia)... first version was way too loud for me i could hear distortion and overcompression but second go was just gold
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Fotis elf
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Posted : Mar 11, 2009 16:48
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i like this quote from here http://www.prorec.com/Articles/tabid/109/EntryId/247/Over-the-Limit.aspx
sorry for the caps,but there's a point on that
WHY IS THE LOUDER IS BETTER APPROACH THE WRONG APPROACH? BECAUSE WHEN ALL OF THE SIGNAL IS AT THE MAXIMUM LEVEL, THEN THERE IS NO WAY FOR THE SIGNAL TO HAVE ANY PUNCH. THE WHOLE THING COMES SCREAMING AT YOU LIKE A MESSAGE IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS. AS WE ALL KNOW, WHEN YOU TYPE IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS THERE ARE NO CUES TO HELP THE BRAIN MAKE SENSE OF THE SIGNAL, AND THE MIND TIRES QUICKLY OF TRYING TO PROCESS WHAT IS, BASICALLY, WHITE NOISE. LIKEWISE, A SIGNAL THAT JUST PEGS THE METERS CAUSES THE BRAIN TO REACT AS THOUGH IT IS BEING FED WHITE NOISE. WE SIMPLY FILTER IT OUT AND QUIT TRYING TO PROCESS IT.
also take a look here http://www.dynamicrange.de/
interesting ,who's gonna sign?? 
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makus
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Posted : Mar 11, 2009 17:21
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~d2~
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Posted : Mar 11, 2009 17:27
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Already signed
But loudness has very little to do with the mix engineer or the mastering engineer.  |
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x-rayz
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Posted : Mar 11, 2009 17:34
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Elad
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Posted : Mar 11, 2009 17:37
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On 2009-03-11 17:27, ~d2~ wrote:
But loudness has very little to do with the mix engineer or the mastering engineer.
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hahaha yeah right...
i dont know where u come up with those stuff.. please show us where your tracks releases on -15db rms and what mastering house doesnt bring your levels up.. i bet you cant find single one. to use just eq as mastering wow need such perfect mix for that first , and there is no such thing as "mix engineer" in trance.. maybe in electro music that makes money
listen to the clip i posted , tell me how "bad" does it sounds.. and yes it has alot more volume into it , and still the sound is better rather then worse..
thats all true up to a point , about -10rms will be that point.. you can want it to be less but go tell astrix he dont have punch in the mix im sure he will run to fix all his albums
i meen yeah sure if you go as loud as hiphop then it might lose some punch and dynamics but that happens louder.. about +3db more then in trance averege www.sattelbattle.com
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