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is it normal for a Psy album to have a mix of dark and light songs?

Braindrop
Braindrop

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Posted : Mar 6, 2009 13:29
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On 2009-03-05 14:04, subconsciousmind wrote:
I love albums with variety.

Its totally natural to make what you are in the mood to. Actually I find the opposite can't be really music.

But beware. PsyScene is totally narrow minded. The majority of freaks, artists and DJs are sworn into one genre, Dark, Prog, FullOn, whatever. As I monitor it, albums who break the borders are not especially well received and sold (except if its chillout).

My second Album is telling a very emotional story from beginning to end. Many people who understood it gave me that feedback to, and I put 3 years of work into actually getting the story right. It's totally based on emotions only, its a story for the heart, from the heart. No thinking. I never even thought about anything like "style". (its downloadable from my website its called "gfuehlsweid" http://www.subconsciousmind.ch/music/album-gfuehlsweid )

The distributors feedback talking with me on the phone:
Distributor: Its really nice music, but there is no connection between the tracks
Me: What do you mean?
Distributors: One track is more progressive, another a little dark, again another morning psy etc... you know.. it's better you have a story.. a thin red line between the songs.
Me: Hmm, yes...
Distributor: Well, we take it in our catalogue, maybe we will sell a few, but you really need to bring more story into your next album.
Me: Ahm, yes.. Sure, I will

That was 2004, just my experience.


In my opinion most people are not able to actually feel, hear the essence of music quick enough. So what happens is that those people constantly are fooled by surfacial factors in music. Be it fat basslines, funky grooves, good production, weirdo sounds. Whatever they are able to understand quickly and doesn't demand a lot of effort to understand.

Then after a while they start to realize, that those basslines, weirdo sounds, productions etc. are the same in most songs and they start to get bored. But instead to realize, that some songs only boast themselves with surfacial factors and other songs actually really have an essence (which they are unable to see) they simply blame the "style"..

Then they say the style is dead or is always the same, and move on, for example go from full on to dark. From then on they let them self fool again from new surfacial factors within that style. They still don't realize what actually makes a good song, they still don't realize what is essence and what is not, but they are convinced, that this genre now really is the best and better than the last... till after a while, they see through it as well, they realize that most songs are the same and play the same games and they move on to a new style.. and so on...

The trick is, not to limit ones taste to a style, but to musical ESSENCE! Everybody knows, that there are songs, which will always work for us, no matter in which "style-phase" they came to us. Those songs are the songs with essence, the songs that will never die and will never be old.

But to focus on essence one has to be able to see that essence in music quickly enough. One needs to have the intelligence to see through the surfacial attractions of songs and to see which songs will actually still work in 10 years and which are just dayflies.

Once we are able to do that, we realize, that in any style there is about 10% of songs with essence and no style ever dies and no new style ever has more essence than any earlier style. its just 10% of all music which really has essence. the rest has other priorities.

If someone is not looking for essence, this may not apply. But I believe deep in our hearts and souls all of us actually are looking for essence in life, love, music, everything.

Ups.. some excurse... Just had to write down these thought for once




+100. You just said it all brother.

Variety is the key my friends... if this genre has to go forward.           www.braindrop.in
parapsyched
Scratch 22

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Posted : Mar 8, 2009 14:02
good point for both sides.... but as it was said here before the scene is quite "generic minded".
on one hand variety and diversity are good thing on the other hand... you dont see a rock band making half an album reggae and the other heavy metal do you? (except for very few bands , and these havent realy made it with those attempts have they? )
i`m all in favor of diversity but an akbum has to have that main idea / concepts/ guide line through it espescially in electronic music i think. and that is most easily achieved by using similar sounds or using the same style of basslines or what ever. achieving that "similarity " or sense of "wholeness" in an album is much harder when its too diverse. after looking at this from both sides you have to concider the third.... albums are on the way out ... the world os moving (and i``m sorry to say that) to a more if a one track/single/"hit" single approach...
ppl will be buying\DL tracks seperatly and not whole albums. so i think the whole subject here will be irrelevent in the not so far future.


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Andrew
Voice Of Cod / Zuloop

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Posted : Mar 8, 2009 16:09
yes.           http://www.reverbnation.com/thecontrolzeds
Nectarios
Martian Arts

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Posted : Mar 8, 2009 16:40
I go to any direction my mood and curiosity (when sequencing), takes me. The debut album includes tunes with 16th saw full on basslines at 138 BPM to 142 tunes with long note gliding prog basslines under the kick and what not.           
http://soundcloud.com/martianarts
Freeflow
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Mar 8, 2009 21:57
SCM - Thanks for the free album! i really love your work...


seems like everyone agrees here, diversity is the key
subconsciousmind
SCM

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Posted : Mar 11, 2009 16:02
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On 2009-03-08 21:57, Freeflow wrote:
SCM - Thanks for the free album! i really love your work...


seems like everyone agrees here, diversity is the key



thank you, you're welcome!           Most of my music for you to download at:
http://www.subconsciousmind.ch
Meta
Meta/Boomslang

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Posted : Mar 12, 2009 07:14
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On 2009-03-05 14:04, subconsciousmind wrote:


But beware. PsyScene is totally narrow minded. The majority of freaks, artists and DJs are sworn into one genre, Dark, Prog, FullOn, whatever. As I monitor it, albums who break the borders are not especially well received and sold (except if its chillout).



Yeah, I had a little bit of a range of morning into harder songs on my album and I was surprised by how many people seemed bothered that they couldn't simply call it a "morning" or "night" album.

There are already so many complaints about trance "all sounding the same" so I would encourage as much variety as possible...
          http://soundcloud.com/aeon604
http://www.metaekstasis.com/
http://the1134.com/
FaceHead
FaceHead

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Posted : Mar 12, 2009 22:01
better question why would it matter if it were normal or not? If the artist experiences and writes whatever music flows out of them and that just so happens to be a mix of the two than good 4 them if not thats fine too as long as you are channeling into your own personal and unique creative spirit and not putting any restrictions on it then you can do no wrong.

it will never matter if it is normal or not
vigge

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Posted : Mar 12, 2009 22:09
I love diverse albums, and what FaceHead said.
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