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Is it dangerous to phase your bass?
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Aiyro
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Posted : Nov 9, 2006 09:54
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Ive been playing around with my usual bassline and decided to add a phaser. Sounds good if not better than what it usually does, but is it a no-no to use a phaser on the bass... Should you restrict the phaser to a mono channel or opt for using stereo... i usually use mono for makin the bass, but sounds better with a phaser when u use stereo? is there any limits one should use when phasing a bassline? It seems like it gives a NASA or cujurious one kind of feel... |
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Trip-
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Posted : Nov 9, 2006 10:59
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the question is - how do you feel the phaser changes the bass?
I wouldn't put a phaser on the actual mono bass channel, but rather add another stereo channel on top with the phased bass, and of course low cut it also. The reason is that I don't want to hurt/smear low frequency energy of the mono channel.
when I think about it, I almost never add effects such as chorus or phaser etc directly on upfront key channels - be it an acoustic recording, or a snare drum...
Rather add it on top, with the needed strength and on the desired frequency range.
The "naked" sound usually helps to preserve strength.
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Ron Lyner
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Posted : Nov 9, 2006 13:29
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nothing is restricted
if its sounds good than its good.
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Blizzard
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Posted : Nov 9, 2006 13:46
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If you feel that the phasing is muddying your deepest frequencies you can try to split the bass to two channels, put a highpass on one and a lowpass on the other, then tune the cutoff frequency so you have the sub on one channel and the midbass and up on the other, then apply a phaser to the highpass channel, followed by a stereo to mono plug.
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Psynaesthesian
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Posted : Nov 9, 2006 13:49
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This could be a neat trick - i may try it for a minimal type track!!
I would suggest keeping the bass frequecies pure - this can be done first converting mono signal to stereo, then splitting the signal into two mixer channels.
One for the pure/true bass which keeps the groove goin.
Second signal can be eq'd to cut the bass frequncies and let the uppper frequencies only pass thru - then phase this signal to taste!!
The tricky part would be setting the output levels to keep it moving- but that we shall see!!
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Aiyro
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Posted : Nov 9, 2006 15:45
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Ok guys... thx for ur many replies...
Seems its not a no-no as long as u can "control" it... and seems like i can so thats good news.  Well it sure does sound good so i mean .. go with the flow i guess in this case. Ill post a teaser when im finished playing around. So the following is what ive summed up from the above-> and hence a tutorial to odd basslines.
heres some ingredients to get u started on a "different" voyage in bass creation, as what i just did:
Create the original bass in a mono track, export it and pull that into a stereo track. Add a phaser, delay and reverb +/- more. Create a mono track and copy the stereo track into that ... then lower the level of the original stereo track...
u should have two tracks. a phased mono and phased stereo channel. a todo list from here could be:
low cut the stereo track. Have some cake  and keep rockin.
Hope this makes sense... does it?
Of course ive already eq'ed the mono and stereo tracks accordingly, and added other bits and bobs.
Hope someone can use this.
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Glitch_CapeTown
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Posted : Nov 9, 2006 16:56
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Glitch_CapeTown
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Posted : Nov 9, 2006 16:57
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AvS
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Posted : Nov 9, 2006 22:33
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"Is it dangerous to phase your bass?"
Yes it is extremely dangerous! Many people have actually died putting a phaser on thier bass!
Trip- and all the others who are saying the same thing are right. Personally i would never put a phaser on bass though. Not even as a send fx with a lowcut. Just doesnt sound cool imo. I pefer my bass mono and dry. Maybe a phaser thats not moving but that would just be thet same as a funky EQ. |
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Elad
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Posted : Nov 10, 2006 02:38
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K!ller Inst!ncT
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Posted : Nov 10, 2006 03:48
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On 2006-11-09 13:46, Blizzard wrote:
If you feel that the phasing is muddying your deepest frequencies you can try to split the bass to two channels, put a highpass on one and a lowpass on the other, then tune the cutoff frequency so you have the sub on one channel and the midbass and up on the other, then apply a phaser to the highpass channel, followed by a stereo to mono plug.
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bassline always in MONO! never play with channels on bassline, this can cause serious problems to mix
try try try... if you feel it then it's ok... other thing that for beginner it can looks good, when if prO artist check, say it's shit (i'm not a pro )
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Glitch_CapeTown
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Posted : Nov 10, 2006 13:20
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Blizzard
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Posted : Nov 10, 2006 15:26
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Regarding the reply from K!ller Inst!ncT:
I dont think i understand what you mean by playing with channels.
Anyway, if you split the bass in lo/hi it should sound good as long as you use the right steepness and cutoff frequency on the filters. The cutoff should be in the middle of the first and second harmonics, or maybe the second and third. (If your fundamental is a-55hz, then the second harmomic is 110hz and the third is 220hz)
It can help to look at a frequency analyzer while you are tweaking the filters. You should trust your ears, but if you dont have the best monitors or/and acoustics it can help to use a analyzer, and try to get the same levels in the crossover point with and without the frequency split. (hope this makes sense) |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Nov 10, 2006 15:56
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Blizzard - so that would be a low A=55hz
the harmonics works as doubbling?
is that what we call "even harmonics" how would odd harmonics multiply?
care to explain more..
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Blizzard
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Posted : Nov 10, 2006 17:08
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Math isnt my strongest side, so i dont understand the theory behind this completely, but i think even harmonics is 1/2, 1/4, 1/8 the length of the fundamental period and odd harmonics are 1/3, 1/5, 1/6, 1/7 and so on.
So i guess even harmonics is only octaves and odd harmonics can be fifths, thirds and so on.
But i may be wrong, so dont quote me on this. |
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