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jizy
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Posted : Sep 6, 2009 23:05:32
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say on sylenth the INV button and i have rolled a fat one lol (bass) but humming around 80hz if i invert phase all that humming is cleaned up rather than using eq is this good sounds ok also gives the kick more clarity too.
what exacly happens to the lo end when the Inv switch is activated on sylenth 1.
my ears are still adjusting to new ways a techniques so at the min i dont know if there any rules by inv phase on bass to clean up lo end mud? how does it do it tho and why?
cheers.... o by the way Nugens "steroizer" has secret triks on bass line with fuking around with it.
the bass 0-120hz is in mono when experimneting by the way... thanks for Brainworx Bcontrol.
off topic anyways anyone know why lo end is tiedied up when inv phase on ocilator ?
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jizy
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Posted : Sep 6, 2009 23:23
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it just seems like the right phase shifts can make a perfect bass line (with fuck all widening and mono lo's)
how and why? colin? lol how is the ivertion different from the degrees, is degree a simlar to a "shift" in movement?
cheers
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xoC
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Posted : Sep 7, 2009 16:53
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because you inverted the phase of the bass but not of the kick, so that could solve some phase problems between kick n bass |
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Elad
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Posted : Sep 7, 2009 19:25
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This is because starting at 90 means starting a quarter of the way into the waveform, and with most repeating waves, eg. sine, triangle etc, this is their highest (ie. loudest) point. This means that when you press a key the oscillator slams straight in with full volume rather than waiting for the natural course of the waveform to go from silence to max (as it would do during the first 90 degrees of the waveform, which you're missing out by setting start phase to 90) - which means you get a nice fat click at the beginning of each note. This helps to define the beginning of each note in a consistent way and make it sound punchier and more solid.
Pre-delaying the start of the note without changing phase to 90 (or whatever sounds good) simply means the note starts a little out of time, and will do nothing to affect the actual sound of the bassline. It might affect the groove of the track in a good way (or it might not), but that's not what the OP was asking 
In a sawtooth waveform that starts with silence at 0 and rises up to its max level at 359 before repeating, a start phase of 90 means that the note will start with the waveform a quarter of the way through, ie. not at silence but at a quarter of its max level. This means you can dial in exactly the amount of click you want at the beginning of each note - 0=360=no click, 359=massive click.
Unfortunately not every synth out there actually gives you what you ask for with things like this so a bit of experimentation is necessary to find out how the one you're using actually reacts. Just think of the the phase control as scanning through one cycle of the waveform to decide where each note starts, and you should be able to visualise what's going on.
Hope this helps
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jizy
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Posted : Sep 8, 2009 18:37
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elad suck my cock
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Sep 8, 2009 21:54
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bear in mind folks, the sawtooth goes through the negative and minus on the oscilloscope, and doesn't always start in the same place on each synth.
Say its a 'perfect' saw wave, what is 0 degrees for this waveform, may well be 180 degrees on another - one starts half way through the rise, and one starts half way through the fall for example.
Its important to know where the 'steep' drop of the saw is - sometimes its either side of 180, and sometimes its either side of 360. The maximum volume of the saw wave is obviously the points nearest the fall
In very few cases, is it anywhere near 90 degrees on a mathematically perfect saw. However, many saw waves have asymmetric duties, with zero crossings not being exactly 180 degrees out from each other - an oscilloscope can help you with this, but a better tool by far is you ear
The 'inv' switch on sylenth or any other synth has nothing to do with phase shift in terms of degrees, but multiples the entire signal by -1.
This means that stuff on the positive side of the zero now comes out on the negative side, and vice versa. So a saw wave would become a ramp wave. Instead of falling slowly and rising quickly, it would now rise slowly and fall quickly.
As stated, this will change the way that the kick and the bass interact - if you found that the two were interacting and causing hum from clashing signals boosting each other at 80hz, you'd now find that you were actually performing an EQ cut at 80hz after hitting the inv button as freqs would be cancelling each other there.
In addition to this, and slightly outside of my knowledge sphere, so I just report this as something I've heard, rather than something I know, speakers are a lot better at pushing than pulling. + = push and - = pull (I think), so although these two waveforms exclusive of everything else in the mix may matheatically be equivalent, they can still sound different.
Hope this helps some.
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Sep 8, 2009 22:31
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On 2009-09-08 21:54, Speakafreaka wrote:
through the negative and minus
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Sorry, edit has expired, and this obv means negative and positive, *smack* - rest looks about right though, lol.
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jizy
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Posted : Sep 9, 2009 00:19
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THANKS ALOT freaka thats cleared that up,in depth and just what i wuz after nice one mate.
push in and pullin yes defonatly more to it than just having two synth an expecting a perfect combination of sound... all will come.
elad that wusnt my question about phase deg so please dont treat me like a an idiot mate serously
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