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Get-a-fix
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Posted : Oct 4, 2007 12:11
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PoM
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Posted : Oct 4, 2007 13:19
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i guess with a high end converter and desk sure it can sound better with using a little eq and maybe compression ,but it ll cost the price of a car  |
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Elad
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Posted : Oct 4, 2007 13:20
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Oct 4, 2007 15:18
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who the f. is sasha? ...
Anyway as for the summing thing there was an article in the german magazin "keys" issue 01-2007. "marktübersicht analoge summierer"
There where listening example of a mix summed in popular sequenzers and some summind devices they tested...
I found that differences where quite hearable but especially impressed I was only by a tube summing device from "tegeler" (cost around 1800Euro for 32 channel), since it really did something I liked.. the other differences... well... maybe Its just me, but I didn't find them worth spending that much money for a (needs to be) expensive 8 or more channel converter plus such a summing device...
Of course, if I had the money I would immediately do it, but... you know.. first I get another UAD plugin or a V-Synth or ....
It would be cool if somebody could get that keys and upload the listening examples... I don't have mine anymore.. but here is the german article: (the tables with the summaries and devices should be worth it for other languages too.)
http://www.subconsciousmind.ch/scm/summing.pdf Most of my music for you to download at:
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Get-a-fix
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Posted : Oct 4, 2007 15:39
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Yeah i'd be really interested in hearing some examples. I guess up to 2000 Euros is still do-able if the difference is really obvious.
Btw anyone know which $1500 SPL device he mentions in the interview? The one's i checked are more like $2000-$3000
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Browchakra
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Posted : Oct 4, 2007 15:44
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yeah Junya was also talking about summing mixer and how it made difference for his tracks |
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PoM
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Posted : Oct 4, 2007 16:46
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but maybe you can do exaclty the same with softwares when you know what the hardware really do (like adding noise, frequency curve ...)and have the same sound in the end?
i think the unit is the MIXDREAM XP ,1500 euro ,16 in 1 stereo out(not really sure cause i read it s very transparent)
on audiofanzine they go for 800 euro second hand ,a owner is mixing in the box and use it to add a bit of warmth but it s say it s not very good for that...(he say it s sound close to a internal bounce lol)
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Oct 5, 2007 09:03
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Hey there, I reordered the edition of the "keys" will upload the examples as soon as I have them in a new thread.
Will be interesting... damm... a pity we can't make polls in this forum... 
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Seppa
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Posted : Oct 5, 2007 12:15
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This was discused not long ago on gear slutz.
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/high-end/145886-summing-mixer-benfit-limited-ad-da-channels.html
I think what GYang says is closer to the truth. IMO summing otb is going to make a difference but you might as well get something similar by having a very good piece of analog hardware at the end of your chain.
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On 2007-10-04 16:46, PoM wrote:
but maybe you can do exaclty the same with softwares when you know what the hardware really do (like adding noise, frequency curve ...)and have the same sound in the end?
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Summing out the box is not only about adding warms to the sound it has to do also with the "glue factor", and perception, like there is more space in the mix and stuff.
It does make a difference. a few years back I use to record a bands on a desk than mix it on protools le at home. I did make a few group which I bounced, brought it back to our ssl 4000 g we had at school, send everything to the stereo buss. and thats it! it did make a serious difference
NOw a days you don't need to spend as much as a car. all you need is a summing buss or a fe w outboard a good sound card like rme for example and thats it. IF you are in the mood and in a thight budget like a lot of us you might consider diy. which is very cheap alternative. |
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vipal
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Posted : Oct 5, 2007 12:36
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On 2007-10-04 15:39, Get-a-fix wrote:
Yeah i'd be really interested in hearing some examples. I guess up to 2000 Euros is still do-able if the difference is really obvious.
Btw anyone know which $1500 SPL device he mentions in the interview? The one's i checked are more like $2000-$3000
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probably this one:
http://www.thomann.de/nl/spl_mixdream_xp.htm
oops like pom said i just saw now |
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Oct 5, 2007 12:53
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AvS
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Posted : Oct 5, 2007 13:00
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Analog summing boxes are overratet or actually just misunderstood in many cases imo. Running your tracks through it wont really add anything.
They are meant for use with analog outboard gear. If you have enough analog compressors and eq's you will need to mix the output of these together and this is where you would use an analog summing mixer but the "magic" comes from the compressors and eq's not from the summing mixer.
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PoM
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Posted : Oct 5, 2007 13:23
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Vintageking summing shoot out samples :
http://vintageking.com/site/files/sumshoot.htm
not sure if the rms are the same for all samples... api rock sound sweet ,spl too
with the electronic sample without the suming box it s sound as good to me ,i really don t like the neve. |
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Seppa
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Posted : Oct 5, 2007 23:07
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Nice one Fred !!!
I only had time to listen to the neve and pt, and I find the neve more tridimensional. It is less obvious with the electronic than the rock. |
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PoM
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Posted : Oct 6, 2007 13:17
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like AvS said it s too sublte and don t make a difference like a eq or a comp ,when i wanted to buy something to add some analog warmth i was thinking to a chanel strip like the api 550a ,it seems to be a better choice , i read only good things about this unit but it sa bit more expensive  |
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