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Interesting Way I found to Compensate the Stereo Feild when mixing/mastering on headphones...
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djsabreblade
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Posted : Sep 10, 2008 06:23:37
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First of all I don't always use headphones for mixing/mastering but...when its night i do...i dont want to wake my mom. i live a big house and no people near by...but like i said don wanna wake er.
If i can't wait till morning to complete the master on the klien and hummels, i just do it my own way regardless of what the critics say about how terrible headphones are...im mean sure you'll go deaph...but its still almost as bad with speakers at a loud volume sound pressure [depending on the room/speaker combo.]
What i do to compensate the biggest problem with headphones is Bass judgement and of course the POOR POOR stereo field they yeild.
However, I use a simple trick that produces almost ''near-perfect'' [not distortion free] but close...masters on headphones sometimes [like at night when i cant make noise]
First of all you have to be able to produce good mixes and masters already for a few years, know your headphones etc...[for me i know my speakers and my phones]
I use Waves PAZ analyser of course to see the frequency, otherwise i would be way off even a ballpark master...even without stereo feild and compression adjustments.
K, what i do is i have a song ''insert very well mastered music title here'' playing in the background that suits the style of song, and i essentially copy the stero field imaging with izotope ozone 3 and others to my track...next morning i pop in the track on the klien and hummmels and still sounds great....except for the occasional distortion...sometimes no distortion depending on how well its mixed.
Thats just my opinion, and it works for me [at night] but in the day i usually always use my speakers for mixing/mastering.
Thx for reading,
-Jon.
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PoM
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Posted : Sep 10, 2008 11:13
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what heaphone are you using?imaging and low end seems good with my dt 880 pro (but just got it...)and don t have any room acoustics problem with it  (got a 5/6 db boost at 35 and 145 hz), as long as it translate good on my adam p22 i trust the headphone more .i like voxengo span (freeware) or the rme analyser insteed of the waves one |
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MadScientist
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Posted : Sep 10, 2008 17:17
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honestly, I dont really get what you mean with you got a well mastered track playing in the background.
do you really have your track and another one playing at the same time over your headphones while you master it?!? 
overall, I'm not a big fan of mixing/mastering over hp. its good as a kind of addition to good monitors, I always check my stuff on my hp and correct little things so the track sounds good on both if needed, but headphones are surely not a propper way to do a whole mix/master.
the problem with stereo-imaging on hp is that you dont have a natural stereofield there. without headphones you always get something from the left monitor in the right ear and the other way, just with a bit of delay compared to the other speaker. with headphones you really just get left side information in the left ear and right info in the right ear, and this results in a non-natural stereo-image that you wont get anywhere except with headphones. logics binaural post processing plugin tries to simulate that on headphones with mixing a bit from the left side in the right and the other way around and a little time delay on that. it helps a bit to get a better idea of the stereo image, but its not that great also.
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PoM
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Posted : Sep 10, 2008 18:02
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Posted : Sep 10, 2008 18:08
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djsabreblade
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Posted : Sep 10, 2008 18:50
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| honestly, I dont really get what you mean with you got a well mastered track playing in the background.
do you really have your track and another one playing at the same time over your headphones while you master it?!? |
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hahahah YES!...and or i refer to the other song alot! lol |
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MadScientist
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Posted : Sep 10, 2008 19:01
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I wouldnt get anything from 2 songs playing at the same time that are not totally in sync stereo-wise! 
not to mention mixing or mastering one of them...congrats if you really get to manage that! 
btw, that hdphx plugin does the same as logics binaural plug what I described above.
https://soundcloud.com/hazak
"Have you ever had that feeling where you're not sure if you're awake or still dreaming?"
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djsabreblade
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Posted : Sep 10, 2008 19:07
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I have simple Sennheiser hd-280 phones.
...but im looking very closely at buying this for better imaging and bass clarity.
http://www.koss.com/koss/kossweb.nsf/p?openform&pc^es^ESP950
Downstairs, I have the klien hummel 500 actives, a computer with wavelab and all the plugins etc. i use them for mastering. |
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djsabreblade
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Posted : Sep 10, 2008 19:40
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MadScientist
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Posted : Sep 10, 2008 19:58
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WTF you got monitors for 8000€ each and you are worrying about doing your stuff on headphones??!?! 
you defenately got too much money dude!
btw, leaving that plug on while bouncing will sound horrible on anything else than headphones.
https://soundcloud.com/hazak
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"Hmm, yeah... All the time, man - it's called mescaline. The only way to fly!" |
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djsabreblade
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Posted : Sep 10, 2008 20:10
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hey lol,
i know, but i work at night and so/// wat elese can i do.
btw its called a grant!! a got a $30,000 [canadian] grant to open a multi-purpose computer mastering/computer repair business from my house! am i making any money at it? LOL not a chance HAHAHAHA. btw Canada doesn't usually do grants anymore, its mostly loans now. but...i got it cuz i qualified for disabiltiy, because i have adhd etc...
im still laughing HARD that they actually gave me the money hahaha. The only legit thing im gonna do, is pay itunes a big chunk of money to promote my music. Life is good. |
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MadScientist
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Posted : Sep 10, 2008 20:25
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nice one, you are really lucky! k&h are great monitors, got myself the o300s at home.
https://soundcloud.com/hazak
"Have you ever had that feeling where you're not sure if you're awake or still dreaming?"
"Hmm, yeah... All the time, man - it's called mescaline. The only way to fly!" |
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djsabreblade
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Posted : Sep 10, 2008 20:40
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lol and i was totally bs'ing the commitee all the way to the bank...half the time i ddint even know WTF i was talking about...they asked my hard questions like ''how do you plan to make money with this business?''
I told them with the internet there should be be big clientel return because its world-wide. So yeah after a LONG wait i got the money.
LOL Luckily there was no audio-engineere on the commitee!! hahaha
...Sorry i just find this hilarious. Maybe you would have to ov been there. |
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psyaudionamics
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Posted : Sep 11, 2008 12:14
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dude i need to do that shit here in the USA hahah
dam thats so hard to believe 30K give away?
WTF? Im Jealous, honestly |
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Medea
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