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Junk Rhythm
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Posted : Dec 7, 2012 02:31
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On 2012-12-04 22:23, Babaluma wrote:
get yourself a real analogue modular synth and never look back...
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Truth even though I still use plugins just as much as the modular.
The Micromac looks like a nice piece of kit. Still a bit too much for me to take the leap.
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On 2012-12-06 17:55, Nectarios wrote:
Brilliant sound, but getting a modular is expensive enough...going down a route where you only have expensive modules as an option is even harder.
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yeah true ,probably the best way to burn money
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Fastest way as well.
  Analog/Digital Synth Modules www.toppobrillo.com
Psy/Goa Music www.soundcloud.com/the233project
Random Modular Bits: https://soundcloud.com/junkrhythm |
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Babaluma
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Posted : Dec 7, 2012 07:02
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not really, i consider it quite a cheap hobby compared to a lot of other things. initial outlay can be expensive (power supply, rack/mounting unit, and a module), but then you can just add modules as funds allow, and they can cost anywhere from $100 up, so you can do it cheaply if you take your time!
i recently sold my last module, at one stage i had 24u of frac, including a complete set of the wiard 1200 series!
http://hermetechmastering.com : http://www.discogs.com/artist/Gregg+Janman : http://soundcloud.com/babaluma |
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 7, 2012 23:16
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On 2012-12-06 20:44, Nectarios wrote:
I know what you're talking about. But damn this thing sounds much better than the Phatty...judging from the samples.
Leaves it standing in terms of modulation options, and has 3 VCOs with FM and ability to detach VCO 3 from the keyboard tracking.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYHfrCXlZxk
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Nectarios check this, sound to die for i m really impressed with moslab, to me it would be perfect for some techno style i like ,maybe for psy too, might be too fat for anyhting esle than bassline  , it will be mine next year hopefully https://soundcloud.com/mos-lab/mos-lab-system-8a-arpegiateur
omg the sound at 2,55 ^^ and 6 ,10 minutes sound so beautiful for me, no need tricks ,supersaw and all this to hide bad raw sound and get something decent
https://soundcloud.com/mos-lab/mos-lab-growl
https://soundcloud.com/mos-lab/mos-lab-intro |
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 7, 2012 23:42
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https://soundcloud.com/mos-lab/pere-no-el-super-hero-1
wtf some sound are bad ass in first part
damn i love the moog sound, tickness..i find it can be a lot present in some extrawelt and minilogue music and love that caractere.
a moog into a nevish preamp it might be forbiden lol probably so fukcing fat and tick in the low mids |
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Taisto
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Posted : Dec 8, 2012 03:31
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Yeah POM, i have to say i like those sounds too, and thats why i like moog and other analog, because it rings. Rings like real instrument, like any real instrument, presence breathes in the air.. Like some Korg synths.
Mooog is next in my list too. But i want to save money and get good one at ones.
ps. sorry if i interrupt of something, i just check of your last post..
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Nectarios
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Posted : Dec 8, 2012 12:16
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It sounds very vintage. I really like it. Its good that there are so many new analog synths on the market again, ranging from cheap ones to expensive and everything in between.
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 8, 2012 13:08
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there is delay in his demo.. but i heard some dry in french forum and it sound nice,the fm and sync sound really good , i would say the moslab and macbeth >>> voyager that sound more sterile for me , less musical.
in this french forum macbeth don t really have a good rep, suposely he charge maybe 10 times the cost of his module and synths, and the built in quality is supposed not that great but the sound is good...
check the photon i just saw this, 2 Oscillators, Noise Fat 24 dB/Octave Filter 1 VCA and 1 dual purpose EG |
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Posted : Dec 8, 2012 13:37
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The main issue I had with the Voyager I demoed, is that there was not enough top end content with the VCF fully open. It did not sound sterile at all to me, it just sounded precise.
Agreed the MSOLAB sounds great, but still if (when) I start building a new modular system again, I will definitely go down the Eurorack format. There are just too many brilliant modules for it, from so many different companies, to look any other way.
And realistically is the most expandable format as well with the cheap bread n butter modules available for it. I would love a Serge or a Buchla, but I ain't rich.
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 8, 2012 14:07
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yes me too i really eurorack format but getting the moog sound covered would be nice too.. mos lab module are not more expensive than euro rack,so maybe using both, a mos lab vco,vcf,vca with euro rack for crazy stuff and es3 for all modulation at first..
btw mate have you seen the macbeth photon? it could be the way to get some moog sound in euro rack if it dont cost a arm and a legg.. best would be the micromac euro rack version than is around 1300 euro if i remember |
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Posted : Dec 8, 2012 14:19
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I haven't seen/heard the Photon.
If you like the Moog sound and have to have it, then by all means, this seems like a great solution.
Although two VCOs, 2 ADSRs, and one LPF, with no MIDI interface, for 1420€ is expensive. But the sound is more creamy than the new Moog synths, so its all about how much you want *that* sound and are willing to pay for it.
For a couple hundred euros more a friend of mine that we just made a track together, bought the Doepfer basic system and they have replaced the A-121 with the A-106 VCF (which is like 12 different analog filters in one module, with overdrive).
Using this again reminded me that although the Doepfer sound was nothing amazing compared to the Minitaur, or the Phatty, the amount of modules on that basic system, provides for some really wild and psychedelic FX sounds.
But I agree with you, its all about how much you want a certain sound. Some people think that wanting to buy a x0xb0x or spend almost 2000€ on a TB-303, is absurd!
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Posted : Dec 8, 2012 14:22
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On 2012-12-08 03:31, Taisto wrote:
Yeah POM, i have to say i like those sounds too, and thats why i like moog and other analog, because it rings. Rings like real instrument, like any real instrument, presence breathes in the air.. Like some Korg synths
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yes i see what you mean, also these sound open easily the gate to the subconsciousness of listeners as it s somewhat classic sounds.. if you want to bring the listener into notstalgia or melancolia with these sound its easy.. once there, once the listener is touched by the sound ,he is all open for traveling where you want to bring him ..into psychedelic theritoyy in our case and he will get a very deep trip... well that just my view..
guys that use moog voyager ,mini moog can have a very melancolic sound.. it can be part of the moog sound imo ,depending how it used, melancolia and psychedelism when used toghther it s very psycho active, well for me dunno if it work for others.. but usualy music that use these ingredients work well it make the track more special |
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Posted : Dec 8, 2012 14:39
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On 2012-12-08 03:31, Taisto wrote:
Yeah POM, i have to say i like those sounds too, and thats why i like moog and other analog, because it rings. Rings like real instrument, like any real instrument, presence breathes in the air.. Like some Korg synths
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yes i see what you mean, also these sound open easily the gate to the subconsciousness of listeners as it s somewhat classic sounds.. if you want to bring the listener into notstalgia or melancolia with these sound its easy.. once there, once the listener is touched by the sound ,he is all open for traveling where you want to bring him ..into psychedelic theritoyy in our case and he will get a very deep trip... well that just my view..
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Agreed, but I also need a mix of "future" sounds (whatever they are) with the retro sci-fi and nostalgic sounds. The thing is that most people do not appreciate nostalgia in psy-trance, simply because they are not old enough. You gotta be over 30 to appreciate vintage synth sounds really. Unless you are a child with parents who already have studios with vintage synths.
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Posted : Dec 8, 2012 14:42
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yes maybe you re right and same as you man, i love as much futur sound.. just need both haha but no money  i would love to have the moog sound with mos lab or micromac + all the plugins and euro rack for futuristic sounds.. but dam that would cost a fortune.. mixing both is really good combo imo |
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Posted : Dec 8, 2012 14:55
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Yes, but you already have the XS, which is a brilliant semi modular synth 
The thing is that we always want the "next big thing" whatever that is and fail to focus on the great things we already have. I don't know if this is the case for you, but it was the case with me.
For example, when I first heard the Virus A, I was like "oh my god! I have to have this synth, its the most amazing thing....etc" Then I got it, but by the time I raised cash to get it, I was getting more into synths and learning about analog synths and their great sound, so instead on focusing more on it, I started thinking about getting a Moog synth. Same with the Doepfer, instead of learning more on it, I was dreaming about a MOTM, or Buchla...so after I sold the big modular I had (which I regret to this day, but I needed the money at the time) and the Polar TI (which I don't regret selling at all), I got other synths and gained more experience with programming synths through the years. Now I have a cheap Virus C and my friend's basic Doepfer system and although they will never sound like the MOSLAB they do many other great things that the MOSLAB can't touch. My point is, each synth has its own sound and sweet spot. I stopped thinking about synths as a never ending competition and started appreciating them more for being unique instruments that have unique things to offer.
So now I stopped obsessing about buying more synths. I have enough to make the music I like. Getting rid of my obsession with more synths, actually helped me make better music. And the final goal for me, is to make better music and also enjoy my self more in the studio.
Don't feel disappointed that you can't afford a modular with MOSLAB modules, or MacBeth modules or whatever...be happy you have an amazing synth like the Future Retro XS.
I could make a whole track with just the XS and you can do too. And if you put enough time and love into it, I bet it will sound fucking great.
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 8, 2012 15:42
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yeah it was a bit like you.. i wanted all the new cool synths that come out but always broke so couldnt afford any.. but it s really good thing as i m still suprised what i got with not much when the tools are used at 100% or i should say 120% ...
now i don t care much anymore about all the cool synths ,processors, plugins coming out ...for first time i m close to the sound i was after and now have a very precise idea of what i need and don t .. i will probably jut pick one synths and be done with it, probably a very small modular set up with es3..but now for my work i dont need anyhting else... so it s a bit luxury ,but that moog sound is just so good that i would love to use it in music..maybe the phatty could be the way to go |
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