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moleqlarsuperstructure
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Posted : May 4, 2015 22:36:35
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Xsze
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Posted : May 4, 2015 23:20
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I touched this in some way in this thread expanding on that particular mixing engineer
http://forum.isratrance.com/tdr-vos-slickeq/
as I said there, we aren't getting sessions to mix them, so we can't rely entirely on some things, but I agree, if it sounds good, it's good, vision and ears are important, big picture, knowing your tools and what you want to achieve, as he said, you are after certain sound and whatever brings you there. |
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Posted : May 5, 2015 07:33
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Posted : May 5, 2015 09:35
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moleqlarsuperstructure
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Posted : May 5, 2015 11:38
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thanx for this. nice link.
yea think gotta love that exciter on the master bus. its kinda exactly what i was looking for. instead of tweaking every eq in the air. its really solid sounding.
also the mono thing under 300hz makes sense to me. the mix becomes a pinch of clarity.
compressors ok we´ve been all through this i think. aswell as limiter.
i love the slate and can just recommend it. expecially on bassline and kick
really this chain seems to be solid and not just a noobs shit. 
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Posted : May 5, 2015 12:06
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Yeah, chain is good, he expanded pretty well and brought some really great valid points, same as you, thank you for sharing, really great thing to read and have around 
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Sonica
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Posted : May 5, 2015 14:44
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yeh but it seems now your restricting your self with chains and adjustments molec .. now youl assume that it has to be 300 hz for a mono pivot set point and this has to be done like this just because an article said so - only guidelines remember dont restrict your self to a must and a do....
you could roll off at 200hz or 150hz just depends on what you have done with the mix really and what sense of space you want.. rolling off all stereo information @ 300hz is far too safe anyways imopinion..
if your mix ie your fx and leads have grp send channels that have the mids delt with appropriately already then only that will give a final thought on the mastering chain (where correlation and imaging is concerned)
doesnt have to be ozones imager either..
and cheers for those free ones xsze..
becomes a pinch of clairty only becuase all your doing is making a certain quarter of the whole track in mono - only usefuk if some joe blog widened his bassline wrong or to much low stereo in a lead that cause some phase issue etc... thats all - this should be done within the the mix when in sound design focus mode - the mix decided on what type of mastering chain to employ...
i hope im understood , cheers
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moleqlarsuperstructure
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Posted : May 5, 2015 15:29
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knocz
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Posted : May 5, 2015 16:34
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On 2015-05-05 14:44, Sonica wrote:
yeh but it seems now your restricting your self with chains and adjustments molec .. now youl assume that it has to be 300 hz for a mono pivot set point and this has to be done like this just because an article said so - only guidelines remember dont restrict your self to a must and a do....
you could roll off at 200hz or 150hz just depends on what you have done with the mix really and what sense of space you want.. rolling off all stereo information @ 300hz is far too safe anyways imopinion..
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Agree 100%  I think that's what the article guy tries to explain -> he can get his own thing going great using an unconventional approach (which he then it seems like tries to "sell us" his approach), but he starts and finishes is with
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it is all a lie. Ultimately the only real truth is if it sounds good it is good
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In the end just do what you think sounds good for you, and since you're human there must be someone else out there that likes it too
I do thumbs up his last tip of limiting yourself by limiting your tools, it can really boost the creativity 
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Sonica
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Posted : May 5, 2015 18:46
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defiantly.. sorry for just jumping in without having read haha ignorant ol me
that chain is a starting point for sure and standard for sure! no dis respect to any ones knowledge here either about this.. but,,
in time i bet you 100 % molec that you will evolve the chain to your own suited need and wonder why you ever read the article , it will all fold out in front of you if you keep going, one day all that youv learned about your tools wil just 'click' ... i love that part about it! - once the obsession subsides your able to see it clearly for what it is
strange ol world!
https://plugin-alliance.com/
these are not free but shit hot chains can be made with some of these,esp the Vertigo VSm-3 placed before or after certain things.... use mix sends if you want prefader and group stuff up making a send a main channel for a mix melt!(going to try this) leaving the main channel free for the odd bit of control..
then take it further on the main channel.. ...
but man all im sayin is get comfy when your comfy
hey im not sayin the chain is wrong either and off course apparant gains wil increase.. but just dont do what i did and get stuck in limitations - very frustrating place to be, waste of time - so only im sayin this just a heads up really
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Sonica
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Posted : May 5, 2015 19:20
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for example a old friend of mine questioned me why i was using nomads max warm multi on a single plugin - why? becuase he was conditioned into thinking that just because it came from a maastering bundle that you should only use it for mastering.. wrong
truth here is knowing what,why and when
(within confident reason)
this basicly - "In the end just do what you think sounds good for you, and since you're human there must be someone else out there that likes it too" As qoted by knocz
cheers!
dig the tune btw.... muchly
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wirakocha
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Posted : May 5, 2015 22:52
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Xsze
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Posted : May 6, 2015 00:01
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This is mixing chain actually
Cytomic Glue or Glue from Live is good buss compressor, of course any SSL buss compressor(Duende, UAD, Waves,...).
That GML/SlickEQ into SSL works good (he uses exciter for top end, but we use GML/SlickEq for both top and bottom), than all that into some mojo console plugin/saturation and rest, this isn't that extensive chain, these are the stuff that actually end up on there anyways, so you aren't forced to work more differently than you do, of course if you end up with that plugins by the end there, if not, than yeah, you are.
Main difference is that you will end up using less compression and boosting low/hi's on overall channels and obviously getting "that" kind of sound earlier, focusing more on mid range, compressor just makes everything more coherent or yeah I will say it "glued", so instead of just getting final glue nail, you will be shaping that sound all the time, can lead to even better results.
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moleqlarsuperstructure
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Posted : May 7, 2015 01:15
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yay im gonna check this out further in the next mixes with that exciter tool. i mean if you really start mixing into it... and it has definitelly a more concrete behavior than shaping al thos instruments to the edge in a eq. but of course IT DEPENDS on the sound and the track how you like it. i really give it a go to!
im hardly used with all that you mean sonica reminds me to a novice i know. when i showed him first time how i make my basslines. he was like: but youve already have an eq in that chain. so made him forget all the prnciples simple take what you need.
in my case. i take what ever i need, EXCEPT on the master bus. i never never never made anythng else than a slate vcc and a limiter on master chain. and the limiter only for short listens.
when i studyied audio engineering in a well known college, we learned never using anything on a master while mixing except a compressor if you mix through it.
so mix into an exciter is a thing i havent heard yet and it seems to be a very hidden secret (for the common sound)
also i think this depends on how evolved your skills are, its definitelly something to use if you really know what your doing.
there seems to be a common use in mastering for exciters especially for the highly commercial EDM sounds like dubstep & co... so why not fucking mix through te exciter. makes fucking sense.
and limiting youself by limiting your tools!!! i give a go for that. the evolving is hardly in the limitation. elswhy its a loosing in a jungle of possibilites.. so good night everyone and excuse myfar out blabla
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Xsze
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Posted : May 7, 2015 03:24
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Yeah or limit yourself with tools or really learn the tools you have, it's so easy today to have almost everything you want in matter of minutes, which is really overwhelming and counterproductive.
Take for example PSP Vintage Warmer, that tool is quite expensive and extensive, but imagine buying it, you save up, you read whole manual, you use it on everything just because you paid for it and you are trying to make your investment really worth it, of course decision to buy it was because you really need it, so you abuse it and than results starts to show too, you learn all the quirks, you try to make it work even on your hats, it's plugin in your every channel, you have gut feeling about it even before you open it, you already know what you need to dial in to get what you imagined, well, that's how it's supposed to go with many tools you have, not just DAW.
Having said all that, from there you can slap it on stereo buss and get most out of it, but before that, yeah, experimentation, lot's of it.
So in this case, go slowly, first try to use them in the end, to see what that sounds like, than try to bypass all compressors, EQ's and whathaveyou and try the other way around, now try to mix same thing into them, before you used way less because all of individual channel action, now you can actually get more from them and see how less actually from individual, trial&error I guess, but you can't go that wrong, instead of getting like 2db's of GR from compressor when you are using it in the end, now try 4 in the beginning, same applies to EQ or exciter or whatheveyou.
Sorry for long post and for pretending like I'm expert or something, I'm really not, forgive me for giving myself this much freedom and space.
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