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Posted : Jun 6, 2007 19:40
"people will do anything, no matter how absurd, in order to stop from facing thier soul." Carl Gustav Jung.
Just because icke likes to throw in the whole lizard man theory (that really drives people away from the whole idea of a new world order), doesn't mean we have to believe it of course....
Actually, why believe anything ever?
Open minded?
If the development of civilization has such a far-reaching similarity to the development of the individual and if it employs the same methods, may we not be justified in reaching the diagnosis that, under the influence of the cultural urges, some civilizations, or some epochs of civilization- possibly the whole of mankind - have become “neurotic?” - Sigmund Freud (Civilization and Its Discontents, 1930)
In individuals insanity is rare, but in groups, parties, nations and epochs it is the rule - Fredrick Nietzsche
We have internalized our masters, which is a well-known psychological response to trauma. When faced with overwhelming terror, the human mind splits, with part of itself modeling itself after the oppressor. This is an act of appeasement: "Look," the mind says in effect, "I am like you, so do not harm me - Glenn Parton (The Machine in our Heads)
The foundation of all mental illness is the unwillingness to experience legitimate suffering - Carl Jung
We would rather forgive the evil proliferating all around us than the rebellion against it, which we mistake for the true evil - Arno Gruen (Betrayal of the Self)
The Earth isn't dying, it’s being killed, and those who are killing it have names and addresses - Utah Philips
I think the message that these researchers are giving out are being over-looked by icke's lizard man idea and by him thinking hes the sun of god- And now everyone thinks that ANYONE talking about a new world order is a quack. I speculate upon ickes real motives...
Well, that is just another reason for the downfall of our civilization.
But a link to the first video is Michael Tsarion, and if you actually opened your eyes and ears to absorb his words properly, you would realize he never leaves logic at the door.
A wise man knows there is the possibility he can be proven wrong at any moment!
Anyway- its only realistic for every individual to gather data- make statistics- for themself
Enough babble from me- Heres a link to a video that completely blew my mind, and opened me to realizing anything i know/think can be false- anything- and its not pessimistic- its just simple reality of life- and thats okay
And this video does contain facts, and interviews with Nobel Prize winning scientists, and a whole slew of proper arguments-
just something to shed more light on the mass deception that is squeezing us everyday- wake us up more..
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 00:41
Awesome video and quotes lyricfree. Whatever happened to the saying that "everything is possible". I'm just saying that the idea of reptile like humanoids is possible. I never dismiss information just because there are no "seen" facts nor am I dismissing it because it soundz like total "lunacy". I am aware there's a lot of bullshit out there, and believe me you can smell it miles away before it's heading anywhere near. But this information is different, and if there is any connection or truth to this idea, I would like to find out one day. Scientists, historians, or anyone for that matter will not go anywhere near this information because they fear the consequences that will follow. But very few choose to make that leap, and even less act on it. But it is amazing to find that ancient civilizations from almost every part of the world, wrote and depicted certain kind of serpant gods. And the idea of dragons, etc. Where did that come from? I'm just saying there must be something here. I came across a video on youtube, shows drawings, depictions, statues, and symbols that had the theme of serpant like creatures. Check it out if have time and if you don't like the music there mute it, hehe:) :
Again, I'm just saying that everything is possible.
Infinite love, MaX
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 01:05
@ lyricfree:
That video of icke saying that he is son of god was funny indeed. I guess he was still in the journey of self discovery, hehe. But in truth, everyone misunderstood what he was trying to say. I think what he tried to say is that we are all sons of god, and we are all one within this infinite "mind". A lot of people spectulate about David Icke, but I do agree with a lot he points out. And tsarion is a recommended watch for sure. Plus lyricfree I've noticed you are saying that we are coming to an end of our civilization. But this end is merely the start of something bigger. We are now in the awakening process. That's why all hell breaks loose . Everything is now coming to the light. Some information is very hard to digest, especially when "lizard" people are being introduced, hehe. But we are coming to an age where human conciousness and perecption will change forever. At least I know this to be true.
Infinite Love, MaX
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 01:33
Anything and everything is possible but that doesnt mean believe everything you come across on the intarwebz
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You once again bring up good points max. I do hope that is what David Icke is saying- that we are all sons of god- we are all god. I do think he could have elaborated a little bit on that since language is limited and not everyone understands metaphors and many people miss key points if it isn't directly stated to them. Our society is brainwashed into being ignorant/selfish these days, but how else would we be controlled if our minds weren't in chaos! Look at tv and any movie you see, or even look around when you go outside- fighting and drama all the time. Its very difficult to not get lost into it because we are SO programmed for it and for comfort.
Healing fails to occur because it is easier to harm another than heal oneself - Vernon Howard
Humanity must perforce prey on itself, like monsters from the deep - William Shakespeare
Theres a great quote that i was looking for but cannot find it, but it is basically saying the greatest tragedy is that man may never realize that he/she IS god. We spend all of this time worshiping others, but never give respect and praise to the true masters of our universe- which is ourself!! Again "people will do anything in order to avoid facing their own soul"-JUNG
People don't want to realize that they are gods and have control over their lives- its too much responsibility.
"the person who has a strong center, has nothing to fear and nothing to loose"
"what the hell can you do balance the planet when you yourself are not balanced??!!"
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 02:07
I like the quotes you have posted~
And for the record I did like A LOT of what Michael Tsarion had to say... He's a bright man and incredibly brave for doing the forums he does.
However the alien gene theories gotta go...
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 02:38
Tsarion has an interesting story, I will give him that.
band of Extraterrestrials(of dubious character) are being pursued through the galaxy for some reason.
said evil Extraterrestrials arrive to our corner of the galaxy, set up a decoy base on a nearby planet named Tiamat, but secretly come on down to Terra
Pursuers fall hook line & sinker for the plot, blow up Tiamat, and apparently leave
Extraterrestrials come out of hiding & set up a base named Atlantis, then start getting busy with some earth women
No dice breeding with the earthlings the old fashioned way, so they revert to plan-B, DNA fusion! According to Tsarion, this is the reason for the phenomenon of "evil" in our world
new human/alien breed gets tired of taking orders from crusty old alien masters, and go off to do their own thing in Lemuria.
Evil aliens create another cross alien/human breed, only this time a bit dumbed down to prevent further rebellion
Lemurians decide to rescue their cousins, being the good folk that they are
When the Lemurian rescue squad shows up, the males from the new alien/human breed do not quite understand their message, but the females do, so this second generation ends up bailing to Lemuria as well.
Evil Aliens get pissed, start lobbing nukes
many land masses including Atlantis & Lemuria sink into the ocean
Evil aliens lose their high-tech gear so they're suck here, go on to found Babylon and the Illuminati, and they have lots of nefarious plans which continue to this very day.
an interesting story, if anything else.
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Everything and anything is possible indeed. But konvndrvm? Why do you seem to close yourself off when alien themes tend to arise?I don't believe in everything that I come across on the web. I've read many books, and watched many videos. On top of that I researched it myslef, since certain areas go way way beyond than what we are conditioned to observe as truth. So always research yourself, see where it takes you:). And Lyricfree. David Icke is indeed talking about what you pointed out there. I believe Freedom Road was the best video by Icke, truly amazing stuff. And I also think that very few "consipiracy theorists" like Icke, tsarion, and maxwell go deep in the rabbit hole as they say. Many don't choose to go there because they have a belief system to defend or maybe because it soundz way too weird to be true. But as we all know: truth is stranger than fiction
Infinite Love, Max
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 03:20
Please don't take this in a bad way, just trying to break the ice here. But Aeon, you remind of the cop in south park. "Go on, nothing to see here folks...Here, let me redirect you to the offtopic forum!" Haha, nice one. Lol, Btw look closley, Michael Tsarion is cross eyed, and David Icke is a really bad standup comedian, hahaha. In the end, no matter how shitty shit can get...laugh we must.
Infinite Love to all, MaX
p.s: Aeon, Tsarion, and Icke, please don't take this literally. Big BooM to everyone!
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 03:38
Well I have to admit that Ive only watched one David Icke video, but from that decided I have a problem with his general method of arguments. It seemed that his case rested on the fact that various secret societies use ancient power symbols. This is beyond dispute. However I don't think that this proves anything other than that these secret societies have an intense admiration/fascination for these ancient symbols.
I dont find anything particularly remarkable about this because I like and use some of those same ancient power symbols. Does this mean I have some sort of connection with the builders of the pyramids or other ancient achievments? None except that I admire the accomplishments of the ancients and think they used some way cool symbols. In my opinion, the most likely explaination for the recurrence of certain symbols is because they speak to themes that are part of life everywhere (sexual power, creativity, social power, personality types, mystery etc) and because some metaphors are more natural than others. The ones that are most natural appear in more cultures.
It is hard to imagine ancient people looking at the sky and NOT pondering on what was up there. And when the milky way spreads across the sky looking so much like a serpent (or a spray of divine jissom), is it surprising that there are tales of serpent gods in the sky?
Does the recurrence of phallic and fertility symbols prove connectedness of people who use those symbols, or does it prove that people in all places and times are obsessed with penis' and vaginas?
I personally choose to look for the answers to these questions inside the brain, because I think it is more likely that the reasons for this information lie there than with lizards on another frequency.
The basic flaw of Ickes logic IMO is that for him ideological connections necessarily imply direct social connections, and I dont think thats true.
And finally I dont think it is true that academics are unwilling to deal with this information. They just have a very different way of dealing with it than Icke. The same symbols and stuff that Icke talks about are the exact things that iconographers and epigraphers and art historians study. They reach different conclusions than Icke because they have different standards for evidence, and not because they are part of some big conspiracy.
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 03:39
Here's a new ambient track I did not long ago, it features some kool David Icke samples...reptiles not included , enjoy! http://www.sendspace.com/file/vw2q97
Infinite love,
MaX
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 03:57
Well man, you have to watch his other stuff in order to draw final conclusions. But you have to understand that everything is energy. And of course they know that,thus the structures they build and symbols they use resonate a certain kind of an energy field . I don't think that they are just "facinated" with these symbols. They pretty much know the deal, and use it because they are aware of it's power. And maybe those researchers tend to come up with different conclusions because they want to keep their job? Just wondering .
Infinite Love,
MaX
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 04:26
Well they are obviously fascinated because they work but I just dont see anything mystical or conspiratoral about it. They are good symbols that convery their message, so people use them. Sure conspirators use those symbols but I dont think the symbols are part of the conspiracy. Its just that smart people pick good symbols, and smart conspirators make memorable conspiracies, so it can seem like the symbol is somehow part of the conspiracy.
I just dont find his arguments compelling enough to invest the time in watching more of his stuff. His style of arguing and his standards of 'evidence' are not ones that are ever going to convince me.
This thread probably should be in offtopic instead of North America though..
Nice track BTW
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 04:49
Hehe, kool man. Thanks, I'm glad you like the track. I just had a spark to start an awarenss project...and that's what formed I guess . I started a similar thread in the offtopic section, but that part of the forum is filled with children that tend to share useless links that waste our time, so it didn't get too much attention. So I say why not? This will be the official north american awarenss thread, . BooM!
Infinitely Yours,
MaX
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. Everything is now coming to the light. Some information is very hard to digest, especially when "lizard" people are being introduced, hehe. But we are coming to an age where human conciousness and perecption will change forever. At least I know this to be true. 
Just wondering 
. BooM!