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Saimon/Genetic Spin
Genetic Spin
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Posted : Jun 13, 2005 14:18
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On 2005-06-06 23:16, Chaos Theory wrote:
When someone asks me why i listed mostly to Trance music, one of my answers is. "its more intelligent music. sophisticated..." at this point he laughs and say " how boom boom umtza umtza can be intelligent???"..... i know that i am not the only one who thinks that Trance is more intelligent. More than pop or rap. snobbish? maybe. but i don't know how to explain why it smarter.
do u know?
Well for a start, it is more asbstract music, and it takes an amount of fantasy to listen to it!!!..
- I mean in, let say rock-music, you have Drums, Guitar, Bass, a Vocalist..and you can locate the sounds from the instruments and say, hey nice drums, nice singing etc. - you even get the message of the track served in words...
- In trance, sounds are not limited to these accoustic instruments that is NORMALLY used in rock or pop music etc...synthesizers can be used to create an infinity amount of sounds, samples from everything and everywhere is used in trancemusic - and maybe most important of all, you have to decide for yourself, and get your own feeling of what the "message" of the track is because NO ONE sings it for you...
(and hey, I know sampels and synths are used in a lot of nice rock and pop-productions also, but we are talking general here..)
In my oppinion it takes a wider perception to listen and "follow" a trance track beause it moves faster an is often more complex than a pop or rock production...(again generalising and no rule)
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Jun 13, 2005 15:26
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How can one speak of music being intellegent? Intelligent is something people have (or not  ). The intelligence is in the listener and the producer not the sound waves connecting them. One can listen to music in an active, interactive, intellegent way, or one can choose to be a passive recepticle for whatever people tell them is cool.
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Vagator Vibhushan
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Posted : Jun 13, 2005 18:48
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trance is among the youngest of genres, so obviously it is less tight than some older ones...it takes time to perfection...
also, common perception is that it is easier to make a trance track since it is basically fiddling with equipment, and hence not real art (i dont much agree with this, but nevertheless it is a point to be noted)
the real point though is, art is art, some people paint a zero on white background and earn millions for it...so also, some people fiddle with equipment and it means the world to some people...
art and intelligence are two opposite words, and trying to use them together will only lead to confusion, and more...imho
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mono mono
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Posted : Jun 13, 2005 20:59
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Let's take the other side of the coin: I've heard alot of stupid psytrance too. Stuff that's very formulaic, and the formula's been around for at least 5 years. They also seem to lack that "soul" factor. Just going thru the motions.
I used to listen to alot of the "IDM" genre. I think the "intelligent" part means that you have to be a frickin' genius to dance to it's typically weird, glitched, rhythms. That, and you need to wear turtleneck sweaters, plastic-rimmed glasses (ala 60's style), and have read Jean-Paul Sarte. oh yeah...lot's of dark clothing, preferably black.
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sherlockalien
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Posted : Jun 13, 2005 21:23
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On 2005-06-13 07:41, DiMiTry wrote:
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On 2005-06-13 03:18, sherlockalien wrote:
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On 2005-06-07 01:13, DiMiTry wrote:
Though it is the more intelligent among dance music genres..
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still not true.. I find many house music much more intelligent than many trance music...
(and the other way around too... intelligent and good music isnt restricted to any genre)
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no argument there. if you read the sentence, it doesn't say 'the most intelligent' but 'the more intelligent' which means 'one of..'
compared to other sub-genres of "trance" though, like euro, epic etc, it's freakin genius music.
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about the more/most, just thought it was some engrish
and still.. I am not at all a fan of epic, euro or whatever trance, more in the prog side, so I cant really say, but do you really think there isnt any intelligent euro trance? There gotta be some intelligent euro trance producer making good music, no?
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TRapp
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Posted : Jun 13, 2005 22:44
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On 2005-06-13 20:59, mono mono wrote:
Let's take the other side of the coin: I've heard alot of stupid psytrance too. Stuff that's very formulaic, and the formula's been around for at least 5 years. They also seem to lack that "soul" factor. Just going thru the motions.
I used to listen to alot of the "IDM" genre. I think the "intelligent" part means that you have to be a frickin' genius to dance to it's typically weird, glitched, rhythms. That, and you need to wear turtleneck sweaters, plastic-rimmed glasses (ala 60's style), and have read Jean-Paul Sarte. oh yeah...lot's of dark clothing, preferably black.
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lol lol lol , u killargh u , couldnt have summed it up better. Perfect
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Cosmos Mariner
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Posted : Jun 15, 2005 08:12
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On 2005-06-13 14:18, Saimon/Genetic Spin wrote:
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On 2005-06-06 23:16, Chaos Theory wrote:
" how boom boom umtza umtza can be intelligent
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Well for a start, it is more asbstract music, and it takes an amount of fantasy to listen to it!!!..
- In trance, sounds are not limited to these accoustic instruments that is NORMALLY used in rock or pop music etc... |
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"boom boom umtza umtza" sounds like a good flavor for ice cream.
but otherwise, my thoughts are more or less aligned with Saimon here, which is
1) i listened to a lot of rock (etc) music growing up, and while i'm not the end all be all, i've heard a billion variations on vocal/guitar/bass/drumkit sound.
once i listened to this psychedelic music, i realized the combinations went from 4 instruments - a bazillion (and counting!)
2) as the "boom boom umtza umtza" suggests, the music is somewhat "all-sounds-the-same" for the uninitiated. it takes a trained and subtle ear to distinguish quality and innovation.
but many, once programmed properly, find the experience rewarding.
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Kaz
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Posted : Jun 15, 2005 08:20
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On 2005-06-13 20:59, mono mono wrote:
Let's take the other side of the coin: I've heard alot of stupid psytrance too. Stuff that's very formulaic, and the formula's been around for at least 5 years. They also seem to lack that "soul" factor. Just going thru the motions.
I used to listen to alot of the "IDM" genre. I think the "intelligent" part means that you have to be a frickin' genius to dance to it's typically weird, glitched, rhythms. That, and you need to wear turtleneck sweaters, plastic-rimmed glasses (ala 60's style), and have read Jean-Paul Sarte. oh yeah...lot's of dark clothing, preferably black.
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All forms of music have total crap in them, all music has something that feels intelligent in it. It's really all about what you enjoy. If you used to listen to IDM and quit, well, you started listening to it because you thought "hey, I want to impress people with my intelligent taste" and only later became dissillusioned when you found out that most people who listen to this music feel that way as well. Others may listen to it because they find it enjoyable, not because they want to seem clever and stylish.
People can find intelligence with Mozart, Radiohead, Autechre, or Psychotic Micro. It eventually has more to do with personal taste than anything else - whatever stimulates your brain seems intelligent, and (let's be honest here) usually has a lot to do with drugs (pot or other *cough*acid*cough* ones) you do while listening to the music that you do.
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mono mono
Onnomon
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Posted : Jun 15, 2005 19:59
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My sense is that alot of the people who listen to IDM do so because it sounds fresh, interesting, and even unpredictable, upon discovery. Same goes with psytrance, drum and bass, and the other, more experiemental, genres. Once a genre has been around awhile, patterns form in the music that are neatly cubby-holed into that genre. Alot of what I consider "stupid" tends to refer to music that is absolutely so derivative it seems to lack any fraction of a unique statement of its own. Yes, I can see the intelligence even in this only because it carries the legacy of those who blazed the path before them. But I also accept that change is gradual and sometime imperceptible and even this so-called "stupid music" has it's place in history.
Disillusionment can set in, particularly those who are always looking for something different. I believe that those who "listen" because it's "cool", or who want to appear "intelligent" are few, however non-zero, in number.
Certain types of musics draw-in certain types of peoples. That doesn't mean that those "certain types of people" are only drawn in by that "certain type of music". They're just tendencies. The longer I live, the more I see the archetypes.
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