sp0ok
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Posted : Sep 8, 2009 08:08:39
Greets to everyone.
I was watching the ANDI VAX mixing secrets video tutorial yesterday. There's a part where he shows a slide which depicts the instruments in the audible frequency spectrum.
eg: Kick & Bass : 0 to 120 Hz
All instruments : 120 to 6 KHz
Hi Hats : 6 KHz to 22Khz
Question:
Now, when I equalize my instruments in a similar manner, I notice that I'm missing a lot of upper frequencies and harmonics of my bassline. And my bass + kick doesn't pack that needed punch and sounds very low.
Am I doing this right ?
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sounds can't be put to a general scheme like the one you described. if i'm not mistaking you took it from Andy Vaxes' Mix tutor. anyways sounds can be described with this sceme but only to give a general understanding where each sound is situated in the frequency range. but while mixing this is counter-indicated. you need to use your ears first of all. if you place kick and bass in the mix and they sound okay without eq - leave them alone. you don't need to use any plugins just because someone said to.
any sound has base frequency and harmonics which you are killing with eq. stop it. mixing is not just equalizing. try to avoid using eq as long as possible: use panorama, differents scales, and don't use 2 similar leads at one time. no eq will help you mixing 16 double basses after you arrange the track cleverly its so easy to mix everything.
okay, but generally its a good idea to hipass all sounds that have low freqs (except kick and bass) at around 100 hz.
some hihats need hipass eq at 250-300 hz (if you want to get rid of heavy stick hit), but don't hipass too much, cuase hihat will start to sound dead.
some really crazy high frequency leads may need a bit roll of at highs.
some really crazy mid frequency leads may need a bit roll of at mids. that's it. you are killing frequencies of one sound to give some room for frequencies of other sound.
if you have a heavy fat pad sound that plays along with other leads or vocals you may need to lower some mid freaqs of that pad to give some room for other sounds.
also try to use shelves instead of lowpasses. they are more gentle.
peace and good luck.
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sp0ok
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Posted : Sep 8, 2009 12:25
Thanks for that reply Makus. Certainly provided a lot more clarity.
Does Panorama mean just using panning or is it a plugin?
Since we're talking about EQ, I have another question.
In Zamp's video tutorial, He links Fruity peak controller to a parametric eq to help him accurately duck frequencies to give room to the kick.
Is there a VST plugin with which I can do the same in ableton live ? I'm looking for a parametric EQ which has a Spectrum analyser as well. That would help me perfect my bassline/kicks
"Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth."
Neo: "What truth?"
Spoon Boy: "There is no spoon."
On 2009-09-08 12:25, sp0ok wrote:
Thanks for that reply Makus. Certainly provided a lot more clarity.
Does Panorama mean just using panning or is it a plugin?
you are welcome, guys. however these thanks should go to all artists who share knowledge there. give them credits www.overdreamstudio.com
sp0ok
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Posted : Sep 9, 2009 11:05
That is true. A lot of credit goes to artists who spent great deal of time with synthesizers etc.
Regarding my previous question. Is there a device like fruity peak controller in ableton or cubase ? "Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth."
Neo: "What truth?"
Spoon Boy: "There is no spoon."
mixing is 70% about arrangement
and only 30% about EQ + compression + panning
In most cases I use EQ to cut out frequencies that are kind of psychoacoustically inaudible for this instrument even when it plays solo. If I start to hear difference, I stop EQ-ing. And it sounds ok in most cases. Just, as Makus already said, it is not neccesarry in most cases for two similar sounds to play the same notes a the same the time.
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Posted : Sep 10, 2009 22:03
Note: when mixing think of it as working in 3 dimensions, panning which is your X-axis , frequencies low to high is your Y-axis and volume and reverb is your Z-axis.
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Posted : Sep 11, 2009 11:32
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On 2009-09-11 08:14, vegetal wrote:
Note: when mixing think of it as working in 3 dimensions, panning which is your X-axis , frequencies low to high is your Y-axis and volume and reverb is your Z-axis.
On 2009-09-11 08:14, vegetal wrote:
Note: when mixing think of it as working in 3 dimensions, panning which is your X-axis , frequencies low to high is your Y-axis and volume and reverb is your Z-axis.
its a good way of visualizing your mix in your head, how and where to place your elements =)
its awsome way to describe it
i do have some 'ultimate' cuts that i simply do 99% of the time
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Posted : Sep 11, 2009 21:56
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kick - LP 11Khz - can be lower but 99% not higher
bass - Lp 6Khz - same idea
Hihats - Hp 250 - 400 hz - minimum point
leads - Lp 100-200hz
Would many of you agree with these estimates above?
what catches my eye is the bass with LP at 6khz. -interesting
I was leaving my kick&bass open up to +/-12khz with dip and boost here and there. (for fast fullon bass)
after you arrange the track cleverly its so easy to mix everything.
