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JohnnyBGood
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Posted : Mar 3, 2010 15:43
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Actually, the thing that defines a great artist is that a) he does things that nobody else does and b) he does the same thing as anybody else, just better
think of the artists you like, and that 'made it' - if you'll hear a track that you don't know from one of them you can immidiatley know who it is - simon, infected, astral, kindzadza - know what i mean?
It's true for every genre - you can easily recognize santana if you heard a solo in the radio, or slash, or miles davis.  www.myspace.com/johnnybgoodmusic |
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bukboy
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Posted : Mar 3, 2010 15:55
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Johnny thats a pretty good way to put it.  |
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mubali
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Posted : Mar 3, 2010 17:29
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On 2010-03-03 14:15, bukboy wrote:
Seamoon - I meant famous/respected artist, not nobody. Sorry for the confusion.
Not really into the guys who bounce their ball against the wall and call it a form of art.
I mean something that more people than 4 respect.
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If you take the general term art, whether it be music, dance, paintings, etc... You tend to find that the more talented ones that leave a lasting impression upon folks incorporate bits of their soul into each piece. I honestly feel that when you create something true to yourself, a piece of yourself shines through in that work. This is something I'm encountering less and less with the current model of hyper-produced, hyper-marketed art that we have now.
As for the sheer amount of how to's that are listed here, not only is this found in any forum that caters to an art, craft, or hobby, but we also have to take into consideration of the sheer amount of people with software and a desire to make this type of music. It's not my job to say if someone should make music or not, but if I do know something that will help their ideas sound good no matter what they may be, it's my civic duty to do so. This was what was done for me in this very same place and the information I garnered here allowed me to focus more on the creative aspects of the music, rather that the technical aspects of production.
The old model of needing both composer, musician, and engineer to create a worthwhile piece of music is quite gone, and as the possibilities of doing all jobs become within the grasp of the average individual. However, much like many advancements in technology, the technology is growing faster than the amount of people who are adept at using the technology.
This leads us to people that have access to this tech, but don't really know what they're doing yet, so of course seeing what the status quo is, they will ask how to accomplish whatever aspect of the status quo that is needed to consider themselves on even ground as what has inspired them in the beginning.
Many of the things that are being asked on this forum are specific to the few defining things of this particular genre or subgenre. IMHO, if a lot of the answers were not provided, we'd have a lot poorer produced tracks and probably the same amount of them for that matter. I figure the production is just the medium that the ideas are carried on, and sometimes (especially in this genre)poor production can ruin a good idea. This also leads to hearing well produced music that contains ideas that don't grab me as well, but at least it doesn't piss me off by sounding like crap too.
That is exactly what is happening in some respects in the business end of things too... Good ideas foiled by bad delivery... and Not so good ideas that are delivered so well that people flock to it in droves irregardless of what the message may be.
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Ascension
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Posted : Mar 3, 2010 17:39
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Inner Demon
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Posted : Mar 3, 2010 18:36
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On 2010-03-03 12:05, bukboy wrote:
Inner Demon - I think its not the art that becomes obsolete, its the style which falls out of trend and the artist.
Its the artist who has to compete with other artists for ears, and they do this by appealing to the audience in such a way as to give them what they want (a nice immersion) but in a new way.
Once people commit a pattern to memory then it no longer stimulates a response. It has to be new and changing to get a response, so long as the new pattern is not already in memory.
That is the challenge of an artist, to predict what the public will accept and give it to them by constantly reinventing themself. The moment they stop thats when they become irrelevant except for to the nostalgic.
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Wow, I can see this is gonna go nowhere because my perspective on art seems to be entirely different to yours.
You seem to think the universal challenge of artists is to "please" some undefined "public". If you think like this there must be some ulterior motive to the art-making, such as generating money. Remember that money is only relevant because we have a monetary system at the moment. Art on the other hand has been around since the dawn of man.
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The amount of artists that have been recognized for their greatness only post mortem is proof that the public's immediate response is a crappy indicator of what constitutes 'good' art.
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There are so many parameters in society that change over time and also alters people's perception over time. I'm sure you can think of something that you used to dislike but then started liking, or vice versa. There's no end state, only moments. Besides, it is ultimately in the eye of the beholder.. you may connect with a piece of art or you may not - there's no rulebook.
Hence it must come from inside the creator, and there are no benchmarks for objective comparison.
And for those in this thread that have confused the discussion with the business of selling art - this is not what the original question was about, and an entirely different topic itself. |
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dija
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Posted : Mar 3, 2010 18:40
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There is a guide online I wish I still had the links to. It is very long and it is not music theory. It is related to music theory but it focuses on how to draw your audience in and create suspense and what psychological effects each of these types of phrases will have on people. It is written by a highly acclaimed person with a doctorate in music. It does not have a shred of technical jargon in it nor music theory. It is basically how to seduce and sway your audience in the way you want them to be swayed. It is very interesting reading and applies to ALL genres of music.
http://www.youtube.com/user/trawhi (tutorials)
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Mar 3, 2010 21:25
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On 2010-03-03 07:18, *eLliSDee* wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mB0tP1I-14
ok well. Can someone explain what is so appealing to the masses about THIS that makes her a millionaire.
I've been hearing the same shitty "business strategy" for nearly 20years. 'ace of base' forever!
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You dare to bring the worst cancer in the history of music into this forum! *slap*
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LOL.
my bad
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Mar 3, 2010 21:34
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the daleks
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Posted : Mar 4, 2010 08:08
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@Colin
extremely well said on all points! i'm not even going to quote you because it would be moot
@Sanathana
thats the kind of thinking that makes the greats great, and I'm thinking of Pink Floyd, Hendrix, the Doors, etc all of them transcended genres, and did their own thing even if it was against the grain. in electronic music today i think it is really against the grain, but needs to be done. already there is too much 'packaging and labelling'
@bukboy
the words business and psy in the same sentence make me want to hit the toilet, but then again for anyone trying to make a living in the 'psy business' its something to think about. ideally we could all be independently wealthy or have sponsors and concentrate on our art, but alas the world doesnt always work that way, and it takes time to break through. i think everyone in the business is challenged right now, and its definitely the time for some innovation. the kids are out there, and they do want the trance, and its up to us to make something new and fresh, built on sound concepts and genuine ideas Gamma Riders EP out now on iTunes and Amazon.com!
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bukboy
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Posted : Mar 4, 2010 08:47
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Im just trying to point out that innovation is not encouraged in this scene. The norm is more - lock in established habits perpetually and religiously. Ignore anything that doesnt fit with the established world view.
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the daleks
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Posted : Mar 4, 2010 10:53
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that i agree with
when people are strapped for cash they tend to be like that, and i'm thinking labels and organizers [edit] not even when they're strapped for cash i guess. now that i think about it this kind of aristocracy has existed for ages...
somehow we must break the matrix and the old boys club. the sad point is that when most people get 'initiated' they just become another 'old boy', so action does need to come from within also..
i've seen a few parties or 'old school' raves where the entire party is free and by donation, all the artists played for free, sound system was donated, or if there was a small door charge, all the profits went to charity. despite the lower budget compared to a 'pro' party i found the people and music to be quite refreshing.
innovation can happen anywhere.. if you build it they will come
Gamma Riders EP out now on iTunes and Amazon.com!
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bukboy
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Posted : Mar 4, 2010 11:38
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organisations usually fail before they realise they have no innovation. Then they try do too little to late.
Point is, its something that can be included in the company culture, and can be managed.
Most important points to encourage innovation?
1 The boys on top Must drive the innovation imperative otherwise no-one cares.
2 There has to be an open atmosphere where anyone can challenge the assumptions of the boys on top, to make sure their bad unchallenged assumptions don't run the whole thing into the ground.
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Mar 4, 2010 12:20
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I am in complete agreement with Mubali's last post - that just summed up a lot of points I've been trying and failing to make well for a few years - nice one!
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bukboy
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Posted : Mar 4, 2010 13:36
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Sadly I dont have a soul. So I cant really incorporate it into anything I make. :-( |
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Mar 4, 2010 13:54
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