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Infected Mushroom interview reveals production/mixing tips
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aciduss
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Posted : Dec 4, 2009 19:12
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On 2009-12-04 18:07, Uedi wrote:
Infected have a clean strong sound!
Good studio, good gear, good monitors, good mics... good ears! 
That's make all the difference.
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soulfood
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Posted : Dec 5, 2009 03:23
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That stereo effect is pretty simple with synths.
Rather than cutting a double part in two, I suggest programming a synth and your midi part then open another instance of the same synth.
Then pan one left and one right.
Then on the synth on the right (or left, doesn't matter) tweak all the envelopes so they are slightly different, just as an example. I like to slightly tweak every parameter that gives the synth its individual character.
It's also interesting to invert the movement of any lfo's asigned to the filter for a more wacky but very wide effect. |
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INNUR
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Posted : Dec 5, 2009 04:30
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are there any sidechain EQs out there ? Basicly like frities peak controller but as vst ?
is there a alternative for fruities peak controller for other daws?
Would be nice to have such feature in any daw.
Like insert it on a channel and being able to send generated midi data to a prameter of another plug? |
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mquirk1
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Posted : Dec 5, 2009 07:42
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On 2009-12-03 23:51, dj chichke wrote:
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On 2009-12-03 23:20, aciduss wrote:
Easy... just record your synth play twice as you want that part to last... then use scissors and slice that in half, then put each in diff channels, pan each channel hard L / R respectively tweak a little each channel's settings and there you have... instant stereo variation.
It is really more usable when recording a played instrument... with vst synths you would have to actually play it or just use different midi for each of the channels so they contain significant variation. Or you could add more modulation stuff on the audio track too... just go stereo wild with your creativity.
Watch Andi Vax Mixing Secrets this i remember a part where he explains this stuff.
cheers
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i think i can just take some slices from each side a bit forward or backward and like that to give it more live filling. but it's more work than play live instrument and just cut it to two slices..
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what erez explains is classic double tracking. but as mentioned it only works when you play the instrument live, or the synth patch has parameters that change slightly over a long period of time. if it'e exactly the same timing and sound doubling it will just make it mono.
what you described, moving the slices back and forwards, sounds ok in stereo but as soon as it goes mono all these weird ass phasing effects show up. hence why that technique is not used very often in pro recordings..
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so why don't to leave it stereo?
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because a lot of club systems are in mono, so you need to make your track works in mono |
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mquirk1
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Posted : Dec 5, 2009 07:43
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On 2009-12-04 18:07, Uedi wrote:
Infected have a clean strong sound!
Good studio, good gear, good monitors, good mics... good ears!
That's make all the difference.
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i don't think there sound is that great compared to other dance acts like royksopp for example, or basement jaxx. it sounds very thin to me.. |
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Dec 5, 2009 08:34
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On 2009-12-03 23:20, aciduss wrote:
Easy... just record your synth play twice as you want that part to last... then use scissors and slice that in half, then put each in diff channels, pan each channel hard L / R respectively tweak a little each channel's settings and there you have... instant stereo variation.
It is really more usable when recording a played instrument... with vst synths you would have to actually play it or just use different midi for each of the channels so they contain significant variation. Or you could add more modulation stuff on the audio track too... just go stereo wild with your creativity.
Watch Andi Vax Mixing Secrets this i remember a part where he explains this stuff.
cheers
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i think i can just take some slices from each side a bit forward or backward and like that to give it more live filling. but it's more work than play live instrument and just cut it to two slices..
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what erez explains is classic double tracking. but as mentioned it only works when you play the instrument live, or the synth patch has parameters that change slightly over a long period of time. if it'e exactly the same timing and sound doubling it will just make it mono.
what you described, moving the slices back and forwards, sounds ok in stereo but as soon as it goes mono all these weird ass phasing effects show up. hence why that technique is not used very often in pro recordings..
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so why don't to leave it stereo?
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because a lot of club systems are in mono, so you need to make your track works in mono
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heh, we have end of 2009, many new clubs have surround systems, stereo is standard. i was work in many clubs... never see a mono ss... this is some kind of mythology for me http://www.beatport.com/release/cross-the-atoms/1042450
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master bud
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Posted : Dec 5, 2009 09:09
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On 2009-12-05 04:30, INNUR wrote:
are there any sidechain EQs out there ? Basicly like frities peak controller but as vst ?
is there a alternative for fruities peak controller for other daws?
Would be nice to have such feature in any daw.
Like insert it on a channel and being able to send generated midi data to a prameter of another plug?
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Ableton's Auto Filter will do the trick.
Making what you want with what you have |
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master bud
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Posted : Dec 5, 2009 09:14
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On 2009-12-05 08:34, Alien Bug wrote:
heh, we have end of 2009, many new clubs have surround systems, stereo is standard. i was work in many clubs... never see a mono ss... this is some kind of mythology for me
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Where are those surround mixed tracks then? Even stereo rigs can cause nasty phase cancellation if wrongly placed...
Mono is for avoiding phase cancellation in the middle of the dancefloor.
Making what you want with what you have |
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mquirk1
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Posted : Dec 5, 2009 09:50
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On 2009-12-03 23:51, dj chichke wrote:
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On 2009-12-03 23:20, aciduss wrote:
Easy... just record your synth play twice as you want that part to last... then use scissors and slice that in half, then put each in diff channels, pan each channel hard L / R respectively tweak a little each channel's settings and there you have... instant stereo variation.
It is really more usable when recording a played instrument... with vst synths you would have to actually play it or just use different midi for each of the channels so they contain significant variation. Or you could add more modulation stuff on the audio track too... just go stereo wild with your creativity.
Watch Andi Vax Mixing Secrets this i remember a part where he explains this stuff.
cheers
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i think i can just take some slices from each side a bit forward or backward and like that to give it more live filling. but it's more work than play live instrument and just cut it to two slices..
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what erez explains is classic double tracking. but as mentioned it only works when you play the instrument live, or the synth patch has parameters that change slightly over a long period of time. if it'e exactly the same timing and sound doubling it will just make it mono.
what you described, moving the slices back and forwards, sounds ok in stereo but as soon as it goes mono all these weird ass phasing effects show up. hence why that technique is not used very often in pro recordings..
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so why don't to leave it stereo?
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because a lot of club systems are in mono, so you need to make your track works in mono
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heh, we have end of 2009, many new clubs have surround systems, stereo is standard. i was work in many clubs... never see a mono ss... this is some kind of mythology for me
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these 'surround' systems are exactly the ones they use in mono. if a club just has two stacks it's not a problem, but many many bars and clubs i've been to are set up with a few subs in random places and high stacks all along the walls or in random places in the room etc. most of these are run in mono because running them in stereo is 1) hard because you have to decide what speakers get what channel and 2) pointless because the sound is coming from so many different sources there is 0 stereo field anyway, that and the phasing issues mentioned above.
having said that i've been to plenty of clubs where even with just the traditional 2 stacks with the stage in the middle they still run it in mono, don't ask me why.. |
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aciduss
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Posted : Dec 5, 2009 17:14
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1.- Psytrance is stereo music.
2.- Psytrance is not for clubs.
3.- It is ok to check in mono for coherence. |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Dec 5, 2009 17:35
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mquirk1
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Posted : Dec 5, 2009 17:39
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On 2009-12-05 17:14, aciduss wrote:
1.- Psytrance is stereo music.
2.- Psytrance is not for clubs.
3.- It is ok to check in mono for coherence.
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lol what? psytrance is not for clubs? and it is really not too hard to make a really wide stereo mix that collapses perfectly into mono as well.. it's not like it has to be one or the other |
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mquirk1
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Posted : Dec 5, 2009 17:40
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On 2009-12-05 17:35, Colin OOOD wrote:
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On 2009-12-04 04:59, mquirk1 wrote:
what erez explains is classic double tracking. but as mentioned it only works when you play the instrument live, or the synth patch has parameters that change slightly over a long period of time. if it'e exactly the same timing and sound doubling it will just make it mono.
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Not true. This works with static synth sounds too, as long as oscillators are not synced to keypress. Makes a really wide sound.
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well yeah.. like i said if it's 'exactly the same sound' double it will just make it mono, but if the two sounds are slightly different (however you achieve that difference) it will be wide |
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aciduss
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Posted : Dec 5, 2009 17:59
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On 2009-12-05 17:39, mquirk1 wrote:
lol what? psytrance is not for clubs?
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IMHO psytrance is for outdoor parties... maybe it has to do with our own experiences but 90% of psytrance events here in Mexico are outdoor events. I like many other genres for clubbing but not psy man... not psy. I guess in the end is just an opinion but a dancefloor&crowd (not to mention acoustics) at an outdoor stereo party miles into the forest cannot be compared to an urban mono club's one... fuck clubs man most clubs around here are elitist scumholes where you have to spend lots of cash if you want to have some fun... and none of those play psytrance.
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dj chichke
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Posted : Dec 5, 2009 18:17
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On 2009-12-05 17:35, Colin OOOD wrote:
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On 2009-12-04 04:59, mquirk1 wrote:
what erez explains is classic double tracking. but as mentioned it only works when you play the instrument live, or the synth patch has parameters that change slightly over a long period of time. if it'e exactly the same timing and sound doubling it will just make it mono.
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Not true. This works with static synth sounds too, as long as oscillators are not synced to keypress. Makes a really wide sound.
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do you speak about recording myslef playing somthing on the keyboard?
a lot of time the melody very fast so i can't do it... |
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