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Infected Mushroom Interview on Audiozine
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e-motion
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Kolishin Methud
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Posted : Jan 31, 2012 06:52
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i love their music, old and new... defiantly would like to hear older influences though 
yeah they push the gain to +6dB eq out distortion, then process the final render through hi quality and costly d/a converters. Neat technique would love to learn it myself! 
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aje
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Posted : Jan 31, 2012 17:07
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Interesting read.
My friend is a professional recording engineer who is also starting to add mastering to his portfolio. He also told me he uses that "clipping mastering" technique as you called it. Apparently it is common practice and it sounds much better than limiters.
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e-motion
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Posted : Jan 31, 2012 19:23
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So, you just need some million dollar converters and you're done!
Would be nice to see some software emulations of this effect.
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 31, 2012 20:01
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hard cliping is similar, this technique is used since mastering exist but you dont get all the loudness from this..it dont smooth the sound like limiters it can even make the transients more heavy but it s what bring the most distortion as there is always trade off.
cliping just a few samples long here and there can be very transparent, more than limiters on sound with lot of transients.
it s not the right terms but it s what you hear when you compare to a limiter ,cliping is instant while a limiter have a attack and release stage
and yes it s a repost this interview is old but search sucks anyway.. |
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 31, 2012 20:29
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On 2012-01-31 06:52, Kolishin Methud wrote:
i love their music, old and new... defiantly would like to hear older influences though
yeah they push the gain to +6dB eq out distortion, then process the final render through hi quality and costly d/a converters. Neat technique would love to learn it myself!
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that bullshit mate, a good eq and compressor will make way more difference than this.. imo ,cliping rarely enhance the sound, there is no free lunch when it come to loudness |
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e-motion
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Posted : Jan 31, 2012 20:31
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 31, 2012 20:33
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i dont remember the interview but i doubt they use colored converter like burl or lavry gold that may add something...
it s a technic to get the sound louder not better, you make the waveform flat like a pancacke ,but it s all about compromise for loudness...cliping is a comon technic in the process of getting something louder .
and you can do it in plugins or software if you wanna try, clip your master bus or use a hard cliper...
i m not sure of this at all, but converters use oversampling so you may get less aliasing compared to cliping with a soft(never experienced it though, i could post a file no one would tell the difference) |
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e-motion
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Posted : Jan 31, 2012 20:45
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Yes but if I do that, it doesn't sound good, it sounds distorted. They specifically said they clip it to a point where it is louder but they don't hear the distortion.
Also, they didn't said it sounded better, they just said it was a way to make it louder, like limiting, but sounded better than limiting.
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 31, 2012 20:46
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yes it s right my bad , i thought Kolishin Methud was thinking it make things sound really better , enhancing the sound...
you dont get good result cause you dont use a good software for this maybe ,but i can t recomend any i use the one in my metric halo sometimes , or i clip the converters.. but cubase is not bad it seems, i know some use it as a stage to get the final loudness..if it sound horrible maybe it s your mix that dont have much loudness potential |
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Kolishin Methud
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Posted : Jan 31, 2012 21:20
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hey man i just said it would be interesting to learn more about it. Never said anything about fixing my mixes, because im happy with my formula right now! although for ANYONE there will be room for improvement.
they don't boost the gain for each separate track (although you could do that, but the out come might not be pretty)
they push the master fader to + 6 db, do all their EQing and other processing.. then for the final process they use the Avalon- http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/VT737SP/
All this can be found on their forums! Quite a gold mine... in my personal opinion of course. 
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e-motion
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Posted : Feb 1, 2012 15:00
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On 2012-01-31 20:46, PoM wrote:
you dont get good result cause you dont use a good software for this maybe ,but i can t recomend any i use the one in my metric halo sometimes , or i clip the converters.. but cubase is not bad it seems, i know some use it as a stage to get the final loudness..if it sound horrible maybe it s your mix that dont have much loudness potential
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I don't get good results because I'm using Digital Clipping and they're using Analog. Digital Clipping is like a a limiter with 0 attack and 0 release, where you basicly brickwall the waveform (but without any algorithms to soften it up like you have on pro vst's).
They're using analog clipping, which is more natural. They don't increase the volume in cubase, they increase it after it has been converted to analog, before recording. This type of clipping has different character depending on the converters you're using. And theirs are pretty expensive 
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Particle Matters
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Djones
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Posted : Apr 16, 2012 22:28
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Isn't it fun they hardly know which Access Virus synth they own ?
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Posted : Apr 17, 2012 07:25
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in practice, how this information would be used?
[Editor’s Note : the sound is tuned depending on the length of the loop : frequency (in Hz) = 1 / period of the loop (in seconds) – example : To reach a 440 Hz “A” , your loop has to be a multiple of 2.2727 milliseconds]
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