In The Search For Psychedelia

On 2014-03-12 12:12, Xsze wrote:
You are good enough after 5 years of messing to really start messing, if you catch my drift, I see little contradiction here, you are after something new and asking for formulas and rules, experiment, instead of trying to make “that” sound or similar outcome, be inspired, but in a good healthy creative way, instead of trying to come close, it’s enough that you have idea about it, even if you recreate some of that sounds, there is percent of you in it, just don’t get stuck too much in it, let it all go, if you don’t have vision, sorry, but you will not learn it, you will learn formula and you are back in this circle.

Listen to this, I think you will find something inspiring in it

http://soundcloud.com/martianarts

On 2014-03-12 12:13, Nomad Moon wrote:
Something i gathered form the net the other day:

'Pure' trance inducing music is simple to produce. All that is needed is at least three or four (or more) individually engaging rhythms. Some kinds of reggae music does this, so do the canons of J.S.Bach. In much so-called generic trance music only two rhythms are used, and only occasionally three. The 'engaging' aspect of trance inducing rhythms is important. What may be 'engaging' to one person may be repulsive to someone else. Repeating rhythms can be perceived as 'boring' but it is precisely this 'boring' aspect which is the precursor to trance. If a rhythm is 'engaging' and not boring, then trance is certain to occur.
One important characteristic of successful trance inducing music is what trance theory would call 'modulating the dissociated trance plane'. The music of shamans and many aboriginal tribes create effective music which modulates the dissociated trance plane by slightly varying the underlying trance generating loop. Several good examples of this can be heard in the CD 'Heart of the Forest' The music of the Baka Forest People of Southeast Cameroon. Several good examples can also be heard in Glen Velez's Assyrian Rose. el-HADRA: the Mystik Dance has some good attempts at creating the dissociated trance plane, but fails to exploit the opportunities to skilfully modulate it.
There are many nature sounds, such as birds, frogs, crickets which fundamentally repeat, but which contain slight variations within each repetition. The fundamental repetition is the trance generating loop (TGL) and the variations in each repetition results in the modulation of the dissociated trance plane. It is for this reason that the sounds of nature tend to produce trance. The type of variations within the TGL determine to a great degree the effectiveness and depth of the trance.
When there is some 'subtlety' or artistry in the creation and modulation of the DTP, then the trance is compelling and there is an increase in the trance force.
A loud, heavy beat is not necessary. Loudness or heaviness is not of itself productive of trance.
Repetition produces trance. But it will be the type of repetition which is 'engaging' or which produces an involvement with the inner reality. In some trance music, there are multiple loops, some of which are subtle. Subtle loops tend to bring the attention to a finer focus. The resulting splitting or dissociation results in trance. But that is not the whole story. What 'subtle' is to one person may be different for another. The effect - which is to say, which cognitive functions are disabled - is another story. Again, this can vary between persons listening to the same music. Another consideration is the order in which cognitive functions are disabled, and finally, what additional processes are being encouraged when these cognitive functions are disabled. In other words, how is this state of mind being used?
Dissonance is also not necessary ; although loud heavy beats and dissonance may be interesting from aesthetic points of view, they will not produce trances over which there is much control.
Complex rhythms are not necessarily productive of deeper trances. Deeper trances are more easily produced when, after some time of engaging rhythms, there are increasingly more subtle rhythm or melodic changes, or if rhythm loops become longer and longer. The point is that the rhythms or melodic sequences become more subtle and more engaging. Avoid sharp or unsettling rhythmic or melodic changes as these will most likely terminate the trance by destroying the trance generating loop resulting in the collapse of the dissociated trance plane. One of the reasons that 'trance music' works to produce trance is that there are long periods of the same loop or loops.
Most instances of trance music do not allow sufficient time for deeper trances to develop, as complexities are introduced too quickly. Remember, in shamanistic trances, drumming would go on for days. Subtle changes in the rhythm and melodic structures over time will produce deep trances because it is the 'subtlety' which is engaging. Commercial trance music should continue for a minimum of 20 minutes to induce deep trance. Perhaps we are all fortunate that such long trance music riffs almost never happen."

i think this sums it up very well, and its exactly the opposite of what the more comercial acts do.



But probably you just getting older

On 2014-03-13 01:19, knocz wrote:
In the search for finding or trying to understand psychedelia, you must pass though a journey. That journey requires information and thought, and therefor you need a procedure (or many) to obtain the requirements.

It looks like you've been though the process of experimentation - and you can apply the scientific method on top of that. But, that means you'll need to gather information during your journey, and analyze the results of your trips. Say if you always experiment with external factors manipulating your senses, you information will definitely be cluttered; but try silence, then try you and a synth, nothing more, and you'll find it.


Sometimes I can listen to a single pluck of a string of a cheap acoustic guitar, with a long sustain, just vibrating on the body and creating a naturally modulating tone, an interesting tone.

And that, for me, is what I found: interesting. Thats my psychedelia, whatever that is, it is what is is for who it's meant by, and basically you'll need to find what it means to you - then, remember what happened and what affected you, and recreate that!

It's always the result of two factors: the psychedelia and you, and you're the one in the way, the major detail. Since our brains are wired in the same way, if it works for you it should work for someone else..

On 2014-03-13 08:04, Midnight Sun wrote:
How to make Psychedelic? Yous get into that literally. I mean; Mind Expansion .Try to expand your mind and go deeper and deeper, then you get psychedelic music! Kind of abstract I know, but thats all about it I think.
I'm also from Mexico bro!

On 2014-03-14 02:28, NaturensKraft wrote:
Totally agree with you lot. Have deep spiritual experiences, learn about things like sacred geometry, how the universe is built up and how we are all vibrating clusters of energy and that stuff. Also understanding how feelings work is essential.
When you get those principles you can understand what is psychedelic and how do you bring it forth.