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IsraTrance Full Member
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Posted : Sep 17, 2008 09:29:36
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What do oyu think is more important to fix what is wrong in this scene:
1.- Make individuals involved more willing to learn the values and ethos of the scene, so they learn to respect and to really take PLUR seriuosly while having fun. To bring back good vibe, no matter if events are "commercial" but with a clean dancefloor, and honest organizers, and more professional productions..
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2.- That individuals aquire more soffisticated tastes in music and start demanding better music, so the eskimos and sakzis vanish form the scenarios and we get fully psychedelic music all the way...
In my experience is a lot easier to acomplish the first than the second.
  "The dedication to repetition — the search for nirvana in a single held tone or an endlessly cycling rhythm — is one of electronic music's noblest gestures." |
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Kane
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Posted : Sep 17, 2008 16:17
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Both of these are pretty closed minded choices..if someone wants to listen to horrible music, that's their decision. I know what I like and that there are thousands with what I would consider good taste. Skazi, Eskimo, etc. are just making music that appeals to a larger audience than darkpsy and (good) minimal artists do, which is something that happens in every music scene.
How do we even accomplish either of these? Tell random people at parties that they need to be outwardly "eco" and spiritual to participate?
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Posted : Sep 17, 2008 18:40
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I am experiencing this in a local scene, where new comers are more willing to learn about the history, ethos and culture around trance, but they have little interest in music, and while they might be enthusiast in supporting most professiona,l organizers and stop going to old fraudulent promoters, taking their garbage bag to the party and keeping the dancefloor clean, they seem to have little interest in music.
Do you think this is generalized over the whole scene?
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Kane
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Posted : Sep 17, 2008 21:38
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On 2008-09-17 18:40, Login wrote:
I am experiencing this in a local scene, where new comers are more willing to learn about the history, ethos and culture around trance, but they have little interest in music, and while they might be enthusiast in supporting most professiona,l organizers and stop going to old fraudulent promoters, taking their garbage bag to the party and keeping the dancefloor clean, they seem to have little interest in music.
Do you think this is generalized over the whole scene?
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I think the whole fraudulent promoters think is kind of irrelevant. Nobody intentionally goes to a shady party. Unfortunately they're going to exist no matter what, and the best we can do is let people know here to at least be careful when dealing with certain labels and organizers. As for party goers not being interested in the music, there's plenty of people I know that go to parties and love the psy scene but aren't necessarily dedicated listeners like you would find here, but I'm fine with that.
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La Magica Boutique
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Posted : Oct 9, 2008 13:04
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Teach somebody something is not easy when energies of many people is involved on a trance happening..
Of course it's everything related on the will that somebody has to respect or not the situation.
The fact that also through this website I have a picture of part of the scene in the world, and mostly i read people complaining.
I'm not here to say if the situation is growin, or is going crap, or it will change, or whatever.
I just want to say that cocaine is everywhere, and at least here is the main problem on new comers, because before everything that could give culture we have cocaine sellers.
It's not related just on drugs, but the first impact or experience that guys can have when they go for a dancing night mostly is not the culture that trance bring with..
The rest.. about music tastes or nice events or not.. is personally connected to the people, that after some time they will be able to choose between the tons of things happening.
My humble and fast opinion..
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Dogon
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Posted : Oct 9, 2008 14:54
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'Scene' has been like this for years.
Good & Bad have been a part of the scene since the scene started.
Just keep the good ones & let go the rest, but that is also subjective.
So the scene is subjective, let it be as it is, it's evolving.
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Zman
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Posted : Oct 9, 2008 16:58
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Number 2 is the right answer. The scene = music  At the same time i am not saying Skazi & Eskimo need to disappear. Let them do their thing, they are successful. However, demanding quality is something which i strongly believe in. |
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Oct 9, 2008 18:38
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theres nothing wrong with the music,scene theres a mismatch of perception...the doors of perception are blocked
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Ascension
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Posted : Oct 10, 2008 15:12
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Rather than demanding stuff (constructive criticism is great, complaining is not), why not work to improve it yourself. If you don't like the deco, buy or make some to bring to the next party. If you don't like the music, learn to dj or produce your own. If you don't like the parties, start throwing your own or helping out to make the ones better.
It doesn't seem like people here who think the scene is bad (absolutely not the case in the midwest USA) are willing to do anything but complain about it. I help out with parties, I dj, I've started production - all without being motivated by a bad scene experience.
I'm not saying that people in this thread are like this (this is a good thread topic for constructive ideas to be presented), but there are a lot of them it seems. When I go to parties, I hear people talking about what they need to improve on AT the party. There is some afterwards, but things that can be changed or improved immediately are usually brought up and fixed.
Quick examples:
Good: picking up trash at the event
Bad: complaining that there was trash everywhere after the event is over
Good: suggesting artists that are reasonable to bring to the next party
Bad: complaining that no one good played at the party
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La Magica Boutique
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Posted : Oct 10, 2008 17:06
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You're right man.. I TOTALLY agree with you, i really got the point!
You know.. I'm doing EVERY single thing you mention here, and many people with me are still keeping their huge helps and smile to improve the scene. We dj, we decorate, we cook good food and we don't sell any alcohol except for the beer, we have separated garbages for eco stuffs, we give back money for empty glasses, and free portable ashtrays.. many things as you can see.
Still it's not enough.. still i think that somewhere the scene has to suffer strange influences.
I'm happy to hear that up there in midwest Usa the situation is good.. my experience is, as I said, that cocaine has destroyed the uplifting message of self searching.. don't know if I'm explaining good or not.
Hope so!
The fact is that something has to die somewhere to born in another place sometimes.
Or just that the constant evolution (because we are speaking about this) brings us different situations that we face with old passions.
So we should always have an update on passion, because complaining it's just a matter of feeling not satisfied, and complaining most of the time is related on fact that people is strict in their thoughts, without opening minds and heart.
Everybody has to learn, everybody wants to teach..
Silence and action is the best way to share intentions and love.
Understanding..
(maybe i lost a bit the way of the thread.. sorry!)
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Posted : Oct 10, 2008 17:31
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^^ No man, totally agree with both of you. And I would be glad you share your experiences and ideas for improving the scene.
For example I was thinking in making contest for decoration. Here in mexico we have "piñatas" which arr used around christmas holidays, they are beatiful:
http://www.ultimavida.com/fotos/orig_pinata.jpg
So I was thinking to make a contest for the best piñata so people bring some and use them as deco and then at sunrise we can broke them (it used to fill them with candies and then each person take a turn in hitting them until it brokes).
C'mon people lets share more ideas for improving
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Ascension
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Posted : Oct 10, 2008 17:57
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Login- that's a great idea. Anything to bring people together is always a positive.
You can try to get people to collab as "deco teams" or just get people together who like creating deco.
I don't know if any of your 3 day parties have workshops, but I would highly recommend them. Having an organized gathering at the event to discuss things is a wonderful way to connect with people on a different level. I recently did 2 that discussed things from phsyics and neurobiology to alternative energy. We got a lot of positive feedback and one person from california said they were great and he wanted to encourage people in his state to have them at their parties. You could try having initial workshops on the spiritual side of psytrance, or just open religion discussions that promote sharing, understanding and tolerance.
Now we're startin to get somewhere, let's keep this discussion going! http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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Ascension
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Posted : Oct 10, 2008 18:00
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Another workshop idea is to have a "deco time" where someone usually buys supplies and has anyone who wants to, come and create some deco/paint/whatever. This way you can hang the deco that was created that day around the mainstage that night.
We also have some where people teach yoga, poi and music production.
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Soul Kontakt
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Posted : Oct 10, 2008 19:12
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Everything is there the only missing thing is the music! |
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Ascension
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Posted : Oct 10, 2008 19:19
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Most people have to go through that understanding phase before they realize what is going on at a psy party. Those who are naturally open-minded have an easier time, those who aren't tend to take longer.
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