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JaLi
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Posted : Mar 22, 2006 15:07
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''no food. in the Indian jail system you have not right to have it, only if you can pay for it''
Do you really have to pay for your own food?
Every poor person that gets in for life will die then?
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Ben-G
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Posted : Mar 22, 2006 15:52
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What he means is that as a prisoner in an indian jail you get only indian drinking water, not the filtered kind but simply natural water, the indian people can live from it (although a lot of them get deseases from it), but for a european it can be very bad, stomache viruses and shit like that.
I don't know if its true, it probably depends on which jail you are in.
I know about a few israelis that spent a long time in indian jail (a year and more), and they survived it. as for nico- he's too old for these conditions so i don't know if he will last over there. but! like you said everybody deserves a second chance, but i think that when you're 55 years old you already learned the lessons of life and you know what is right and wrong, and that drug dealing in india is very dangerous.
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tranceTribes
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Posted : Mar 22, 2006 20:18
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On 2006-03-21 06:34, celsung wrote:
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which stupid idiot would donate to this moron?
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I guess I am one of the stupid idiots of whom you speak. If it is a scam, I have lost $0.50. If it is not, someone who made a human error and got put in a barbaric prison system may be helped a bit. It's not like they're asking for your credit card number. It's just paypal after all.
I really hate all this "do the crime, do the time" nonsense. It's not like the guy was a mass murderer or a rapist (at least as far as I know he wasn't), but he is now (allegedly) in a cell with people like that. So many psy people claim to be so anti-establishment but when it comes down to it they are all too eager to take the side of some archaic drug law that goes against everything the psychedelic community has ever stood for.
I do agree that the free warez is completely unnecessary though.
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i agree with you
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tranceTribes
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Posted : Mar 22, 2006 20:39
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On 2006-03-21 08:10, Voxmulox wrote:
i agree with u celsung that there is more to psytrance than skazi and infected mushroom and monkeys...but psytrance or trance movement/partyin etc. is not not an asylum or refuge for drug dealers, mules and peddlers...its because of people like these that festivals like Samothraki get shut down.
pretty much the drug dealers hijack the scene and create a mess everywhere they go...they make it difficult to have outdoor parties for everyone, they are the reason why many of us get a BODY & CAVITY SEARCHES ..they are the reason why parties get busted...and when one of them is caught...they ask the members of the community to help them out and say its our moral obligation to safeguard their rights...what crap...
as far as bad conditions of the Indian prison system goes...i am glad its bad..simply becuz if it up to the expectations of the prisoners...the crime rate would be higher as some people would commit crime to get in and stay there for the free stay, blanket and food...why the hell should taxpayers money go to pay for the welfare of criminal? id rather have them directed to education and healthcare. the worse the prison system the better it is as criminals themselves are scared to go there...its like worse than hell and thats what they are supposed to be
[/quote]i fell you are not logicaly making sence trace musik is a musik that induce people to trace state or no mind state or maditation
psycoactive drugs do the same and go toghather drug dillers are there becouse there is demand first secobd it ia inligal this make it a good busenes for crimina organization to make money aut of you the people taht demand it
originaly psycoactive drags taking and trance dancy around was part of shamanic ritual for many of us is steel like this
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tranceTribes
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Posted : Mar 22, 2006 20:47
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On 2006-03-21 10:05, Aluxe wrote:
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pretty much the drug dealers hijack the scene and create a mess everywhere they go...they make it difficult to have outdoor parties for everyone, they are the reason why many of us get a BODY & CAVITY SEARCHES ..they are the reason why parties get busted...
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The reason why all that shit happens is because of all the anti drug fanatism which makes all these drugs illegal in the first place. That is why people are persecuted, not the other way around.
You know for me this thread is not so much about drugs, that's the least important part. Its actually about someone telling us about a friend in the psy trance scene who is in a really bad situation. The fucking rats are eating his feet, maybe the story is a scam but then that is another thing. But if it's true, if it is well maaan, poor guy. He should have seen it coming, but now that doesn't mean what he is getting is fair. He may be labeled a criminal but that is just a fucking label. Please get out the fucking bubble. Did he deserve it? well unless you are some uptight anti drug punisher who belives in the persecution of the witches in GOA (the so called land of the free) then maybe. But then if so you are obviously not very connected with the psy trance culture. Not that I am an expert, but the psy trance community is generally very tolerant, open minded, non judgmental and promoting freedom beyond the mainstream BS. Freedom to expand your mind in non conventional ways if you wish, and ofcourse its not everybodys cup of tea. NO fucking kidding. But get a clue the psy trance scence is not mainstream pop. We like psychedelic stuff.. you know, we make mushroom backdrops, lucy in the sky with UFOS.. mind expanding ideas that send you flhying in hyperspace with mindbending twisting beats and grooves. Here the surreal and the spaceships of the imagination are welcome. You are high and this is the best place where you can be. It doesn't matter that you are blue, a police, a drug dealer or a lesbian. Get a clue please, what matters is you bring legit good vibes. That's what its about. That's where the feeling and spirit is, in the good vibes.
You are a drug dealer? well but are you a bad person? then who gives a flhiyng fuck then, cheers mate. lets dance!!!
The thing is with some comments here I almost get the idea that psychedelic trance is now suddenly about sucking the mainstream sausage.
Maybe then take the word psychedelic out and call it pop.
And about Nico, well ofcourse you are playing with fire selling drugs while the drug inquistion is on power. But I hope the best for him, it seems like hard shit. Not that I know him or will even donate money, But I just think of some of those psy trancers who sell drugs, some of them are just great people, some really beautiful psychedelic warriors in spirit.
Ofcourse uptight nerds who "live in a fucking bubble" will never understand that this can be true. And if you think I am talking about you, well then maybe you are right and yes you guessed it: "you live in a fucking bubble"
LOL
OK lets not talk about drugs but lets also stop the anti drug propaganda as well. Sounds fair?
hope the best for Nico (if the story is true)
Peace to all
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you gave mutch more than the money you could ever give with this post
thanks
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tranceTribes
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Posted : Mar 22, 2006 20:50
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On 2006-03-21 10:58, K - OS wrote:
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The thing is with some comments here I almost get the idea that psychedelic trance is now suddenly about sucking the mainstream sausage.
Maybe then take the word psychedelic out and call it pop.
And about Nico, well ofcourse you are playing with fire selling drugs while the drug inquistion is on power. But I hope the best for him, it seems like hard shit. Not that I know him or will even donate money, But I just think of some of those psy trancers who sell drugs, some of them are just great people, some really beautiful psychedelic warriors in spirit.
Ofcourse uptight nerds who "live in a fucking bubble" will never understand that this can be true. And if you think I am talking about you, well then maybe you are right and yes you guessed it: "you live in a fucking bubble"
LOL
OK lets not talk about drugs but lets also stop the anti drug propaganda as well. Sounds fair?
hope the best for Nico (if the story is true)
Peace to all
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Man,that was one of the best posts I've ever read here on Isratrance (Psypop - dance?)
Damn right the scene is goin' down suckin' the big sausage of mainstream,....ahhhh uhhhh I don't do drugs,and all drug people get what they deserve...I really can't hear that any more,yes good for u...why are u interested in psychedelic trance then?
Seems like most people here got a picture of the typical drug dealer in their heads,but sorry everyone who has is fucked in thé brain then,those people could also be your best friends,
To say it with Aluxe words,just get out of your fuckin' bubble...
Good luck for Nico,and everyone who helps.... :good:
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right and they forget to share with the people that made this possible for them all
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tranceTribes
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Posted : Mar 22, 2006 21:04
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On 2006-03-21 13:08, traveller wrote:
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On 2006-03-21 12:54, K - OS wrote:
I think they ARE victims in a different kind of way...
They are victims of a system wich makes confusing laws and orders...
Would you also defend a law wich says you have to shoot drug people?
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Confusing laws my ass. I'm sure he thought selling drugs in India was perfectly legal just like it's in almost every other country in the world too, right?
Would you also defend a serial rapist cos he was also confused?
Now I don't know how the Indian prison system is nor do I care as I'm not planning to risk going there. This guy did, tuff for him that he was caught.
If you really want to do something try suing India in Hague :P
If their prison really is like you say it's, well that's one more reason for all of us to never go there. Boycot all Indian products. Complain to Hague about India breaking the human rights.. etc
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the pow is confused not the gay the low
it is right to put to jeil criminal
murderer
and drugs dealer too this is the low i have no problem with it human needs that what iam tolking about
human needs woter food
that it you are going over the top on drugs dealing and crime usa give food and driinking woter a jim olso to the 9 11 people the topwer remember they get better tritment than nico
nico killed no one
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tranceTribes
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Posted : Mar 22, 2006 21:20
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On 2006-03-21 17:56, psytones wrote:
Well I got a card, and I'm more then willing to donate. Problem though. I wish to donate 20 dollars, but it sais I can only donate 0,50 dollars? ... Help me, and I'll give my aid. Will my 20 dollars even make a difference? Hope it's not a hoax.. Bad karma if so.
Edit: Well, at least I payed the 0,50 Dollars. But I have some doubts that this "aid" will help? .. How much will you need in total?
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i am creatin a button for 20$ give me time i will post here if they let me
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tranceTribes
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Posted : Mar 22, 2006 21:40
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On 2006-03-22 06:43, Voxmulox wrote:
true...but this not about the pharma..its about narcotics...and illegal substances...and about trance scene supporting drug smugglers...is it any wonder that the US government wishes to pass the Rave Act? i think it shoud come as no surprize that final version of the Rave Act was renamed The Illicit Drug Anti-Proliferation Act of 2003 became a law... so basically the more support the scene gives to drug dealers/smuglers the stricter the law gets...and there are and will be many more cases like that of Nico where his friends and family ask for the support of the scene and the scene gives it to them by means of cash, protests or whater..and that could be used as fact..and that fact will lead to a logical conclusion that the scene supports illegal drug use and sale...so there is obvisly no denying that scene supports illegal drugs...then why was this topic moved from the Trance section where it truly belongs to the links and off topic?
Why the hypocracy and double standards?
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the forum is controled bty moderator if they moved it ment that was the right thing to do
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tranceTribes
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Posted : Mar 22, 2006 21:43
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On 2006-03-22 07:27, Surrender wrote:
well, if u feel like this topic shouldnt have been moved, you are free to msg the moderator who moved it, or the moderator of this section with a plea to move it back. there is no double standard here - and i dont see how this has to do with our site/forum supporting drugs. this issue is about a person from what i can see.
now regarding the validity of this post.... im not so sure about it, and although i wouldnt contribute money to this 3rd party without seeing more crudentials/connections/proof etc... everyone is welcomed to make their own conlcusions.
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http://www.trancetribes.com/cgi-bin/click.cgi?id=11
there is the news paiper article article
do not doupt it is for real
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tranceTribes
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Posted : Mar 22, 2006 21:47
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On 2006-03-22 11:59, K - OS wrote:
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On 2006-03-22 06:43, Voxmulox wrote:
true...but this not about the pharma..its about narcotics...and illegal substances...and about trance scene supporting drug smugglers...is it any wonder that the US government wishes to pass the Rave Act? i think it shoud come as no surprize that final version of the Rave Act was renamed The Illicit Drug Anti-Proliferation Act of 2003 became a law... so basically the more support the scene gives to drug dealers/smuglers the stricter the law gets...and there are and will be many more cases like that of Nico where his friends and family ask for the support of the scene and the scene gives it to them by means of cash, protests or whater..and that could be used as fact..and that fact will lead to a logical conclusion that the scene supports illegal drug use and sale...so there is obvisly no denying that scene supports illegal drugs...then why was this topic moved from the Trance section where it truly belongs to the links and off topic?
Why the hypocracy and double standards?
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And that's why nothing has changed in 5000 years of evolution,because the sheep are always frightend by the wolves,...
U say the more the scene supports such people,the harder the law gets...so what?So they are right cause they change laws into a direction that nobody wants?And that's why everyone of us has to hide,because no one has courage enough to fight for his right of freedom,for his right to decide for yourself what's good and bad for you...
So we'll all stay in a "golden prison",where we have all and nothing at the same time,but some people seem to like it that way....
Peace
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i am doing that
and all the people that donated
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tranceTribes
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Posted : Mar 22, 2006 21:49
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On 2006-03-22 12:36, lokus wrote:
its not about "right" and "wrong" or "courage"...
we dont make the law but we have to live with it.
be courageous and stand up and show your drug consume and you will get arrested. with that behavior u will change nothing. but it fits perfectly into the prejudice about drug people.
*burp*
:-)
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and if milion of people gat up togheder
what they do arrest all of them ? union is power
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tranceTribes
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Posted : Mar 22, 2006 21:57
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On 2006-03-22 15:07, JaLi wrote:
''no food. in the Indian jail system you have not right to have it, only if you can pay for it''
Do you really have to pay for your own food?
Every poor person that gets in for life will die then?
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no they give you a basik indian food two time a day ration are indian based smoll and verry spicy for a forener inpossible to eat
so if he has money he can buy indian also buy food from autside if money if not they share with each other induism is good make you sare
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tranceTribes
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Posted : Mar 22, 2006 22:02
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I'm kind of torn here. On one hand I want to donate because just out of spite for the whole jail system. On the other hand I don't want to, out of spite for charity.
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