| Author
|
Impact of psytrance globally
|
Trash Dealers
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
45
Posts :
393
Posted : Feb 24, 2004 16:37
|
Quote:
|
On 2004-02-23 22:39, NoKeyAah wrote:
I want to give credit to the forum as well by naming the site but i am not sure if everyone in the forum would like that idea. any suggestions , opinions, views etc...
I am quite sure the article once published will create some noise around the Bay Area...
|
|
I think it´s not a good idea naming the site..there´s no need to do that.But that it's only my opinion..you must ask the advice of some isratrance team members or admin.
stay cool 
  myspace.com/trashdealers |
|
|
|
FluoSamsara (Oxygen)
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
84
Posts :
1164
Posted : Feb 24, 2004 17:26
|
|
I see no problem in refering the forum, after all isn't it the largest psy comunity on the net?? |
|
|
|
-Abatwa-
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
42
Posts :
1087
Posted : Feb 24, 2004 20:19
|
|
after you finish, post your article here. I wonder how its gonna turn out like.
`Bottomless wonders spring from simple rules, which are repeated without end` Mandelbrot |
|
|
|
karnaf
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
60
Posts :
1745
Posted : Feb 24, 2004 23:16
|
Quote:
|
On 2004-02-23 22:39, NoKeyAah wrote:
I want to give credit to the forum as well by naming the site but i am not sure if everyone in the forum would like that idea. any suggestions , opinions, views etc... |
|
Since the forum is a public forum, meaning everyone can register and post in, and everyone can read it, you can talk about it freely.
Feel free to give the site credit especially if you use any site propriety (like logo or quotes from articles)
And maybe, after you're done, we can add your article to the site 
cheers.
Please REMOVE my cellphone number from any SMS spam list you may have. Thanks.
http://www.savetherhino.org |
|
|
|
FluoSamsara (Oxygen)
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
84
Posts :
1164
Posted : Feb 24, 2004 23:29
|
|
yeah, that would be nice, if you could show us the final thing |
|
|
|
technoid
Started Topics :
6
Posts :
230
Posted : Feb 25, 2004 00:00
|
I'd like to read your article when it's done. I tried to undertake something like this at college for my dissertation but abandoned it after I got no support from my tutors. One of them told me "I've got friends like you in Germany, you're just into drugs and techno, do something else".
Won't you have to cite this website as one of your sources anyway...
I think the psytrance scene can be described as a global party. This is what draws me to it as much as anything else. I personally wish that there were more musical styles at international festivals but trance seems to be the thing... Much as I love trance I would be even happier if I could go to Boom or something and there was more music than just trance... some House or Techno or Jungle wouldn't hurt. Many travellers who go to trance festivals feel the same.
I guess you can say trance is a great influence for bringing people together, I'm looking forward to meeting up with friends from Sweden and Israel this summer which would be much less likely to happen if the Euro festivals didn't happen... And many people (myself included) spend half of their time travelling and trance parties always seem to end up being part of it. As a global phenomenon it's pretty big and everyone plays a part for good or bad.
The thing is though, it's not open to everyone. Anyone is WELCOME, but there's a difference. Parties cost a lot of money, travelling costs a lot of money, we can't all make clothes or sell artefacts from far off lands or run a label to make a living. Good luck to anyone who does though 
You'll notice too though that the crowds at parties not hugely diverse, although to be fair probably more diverse than in most other parties/ scenes, and when you travel India, S.E. Asia, Australia, S.America, the usual places you'll notice that 85-90% of the people you meet other than the locals are either British, Swedish, German, French, Israeli, Italian, Canadian or maybe American. You meet a few people from other countries but the vast, vast majority come from these few relatively wealthy countries. This website is bloody brilliant for diversity though, so maybe I'm missing something...
One interesting aspect is that a lot of us seem to exist outside any system, although this isn't anything new, real hippies have been doing this for many years. Maybe it's just become more global as travel has become easier. I also feel I'm a massively political person, just not in the sense of party/nation state politics. I care massively about human rights and environmental and issues and am considering a trip to the Mid-East at the moment.
Even apathy is a political act.
Ultimately I think we're just a blip on the radar. A few people with some good ideas in the grand scheme of things, just as there have always been.
Sorry for the rambling, I hope some of this makes sense. This is a really interesting subject.
"One nation under a groove". |
|
|
|
Jeff
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
13
Posts :
180
Posted : Feb 25, 2004 13:24
|
Quote:
|
On 2004-02-23 22:39, NoKeyAah wrote:
I have decided to title the article
Goa Trance-The most successful global movement EVER...The New UN
My main point in the article is to make the scene acceptable to society and let the readers know that this sub culture is more aware and alert than anyother highly developed cultures.
|
|
First off, good luck with your project ! I'd be delighted to read it as many on this forum.
That said, I feel a bit ill-at-ease with the terms you used above :
"most successful global movement ever". What are you refering to exactly ? Our scene is very very small compared to lot of others "sub cultural" musical-inspired scenes.
"more alert and aware than any other" : doesn't it sound a bit pretentious ? I can sense your enthusiasm, that's a good point of course, but don't forget to remain open to other cultures all the time.
J. |
|
|
|
ChoBo
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
50
Posts :
536
Posted : Mar 1, 2004 07:58
|
|
The impact is not felt here! I think I am the only one from my country in the forums! |
|
|
|
spliffnik
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
53
Posts :
663
Posted : Mar 1, 2004 18:44
|
Hmm very interesting...
One thing to think about:
from my experience here in Japan trance is commercialized beyong belief. Some parties carry very little or none of what you have talked about, regarding increased communication, environmental awareness, etc. Simply put, many of these parties are just rock concerts.
I have seen the movement go in two different directions- one, the underground parties which are community oriented and focus on raising awareness concerning environmental and spritual issues as well as social and etc etc... these are the small outdoors say in Northern California with about 250 people, or some 'Doofs' in Australia which focus on sustainable living, self suffiency, human rights, etc..
You could say this type of event brings forward social awareness and cultural change..
Then there are the large 'events' which are about making money.. these generate jobs, increase cross border trade and help create a global movement at least economically.
You could give credit to the dancers, the small organizers, and local asrtists and DJs, which basically means all participants, for the former movement.
The latter you can give credit to the Labels and huge organizers like TIP.world, and of course the 'customers' who make it all possible... I think Raja Ram has a HUGE influence in this movement.. Check out his story.
So I think you need to at least consider trying to analyze it from these two levels, on the local scale and the international scale. One will become a part of the global economy hence a part of the mainstream culture, and one remains countercultural at least for now. They will diverge more as time goes on, and I think become two separate entities.
These are two global movements I see. The local parties have their own flavor and surprisingly they are very similar throughout the world. The other global movement is the commercial movement. The two promote separate ideals and have separate motivations behind them. I think it would be interesting to analyze how it is today but also how it will be in the future at this pace and the impact it will have in future years as it continues to evolve..
This is just what I thought off the bat and I will write again if I think of something else, but for your paper it will be important to analyze the movement in the international and local levels.
I am assuming from what you wrote you are doing this paper focusing on its social aspects. What other aspects were you thinking of? It sounded like you wanted to touch on it economically, which if you are going to do you should check out how the trance scene operates in Japan, because you cannot ignore this if exploring the commercial context of trance in the world. Sounds very interesting, look forward to what you come up with. Come out with real life examles, and be careful about unsupportablre claims like it is the most developed culture in the world! The more fact based it is, the more it will impress your professors, as well as all the readers.
Good luck!
-bOOm-
spliffnik |
|
|
|
|
