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vegetal
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Posted : Nov 27, 2008 14:39
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On 2008-11-27 13:37, ZorK wrote:
The biggest problem with cubase is that there is no 8core support..it just doesn`t undestand 8cores..so there is for example an big advantage on Logic..
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Didn´t Cubase become multithreaded on version 3? I have no exp developing multithreaded programs but isn´t that the only support you need no matter how many cores you have? If you look at the ableton implementation its just load balancing between cores. Doesn´t sound like a hard thing to do thou........... or... 
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Kane
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Posted : Nov 27, 2008 17:31
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Everything I said is completely based on my opinion and experience, as I stated. I went from a PC (xp) to an "equivalent" Macbook using Live, Cubase, and Photoshop, and in my opinion, Mac won by far.
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Well what i meant is by saying is that your previous statement isn´t really an opinion or an experience, more of a fact don´t you think?
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I sort of stated it as a fact instead of adding "I think" or "imo" before sentence. 
I don't really know what I'm talking about with computers..at least not as much as others here. All I can say is that I switched to Mac from a PC almost identical in components, and I prefer OS.
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Suloo
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Posted : Nov 27, 2008 19:23
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On 2008-11-27 14:39, vegetal wrote:
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On 2008-11-27 13:37, ZorK wrote:
The biggest problem with cubase is that there is no 8core support..it just doesn`t undestand 8cores..so there is for example an big advantage on Logic..
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Didn´t Cubase become multithreaded on version 3? I have no exp developing multithreaded programs but isn´t that the only support you need no matter how many cores you have? If you look at the ableton implementation its just load balancing between cores. Doesn´t sound like a hard thing to do thou........... or...
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There are quite a lot of threads in the Cubase Forum about that..will search later.
http://forum.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=106899
here is a little..
I think it was something like it cannot differ an 8core from a single quad or something like that..so it would run as fast as with a quad..
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Seppa
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Posted : Nov 27, 2008 21:00
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I just want to add something here!
Windows is unfortunalty far from being a very stable platform no matter the hardware and how good you are with...
2 reasons to that.
-Its the most used os and therefore there are tones of spywares and malwares around you can catch at any step.
-Its simply not a platform that was thought as well as osx. this is why apple computer have always been from the begining a more professional orientated platform.
Now I've been using windows for years and my buisness has been to build and sell audio computer(pc) for a few years until recently.
live doesnt run better on osx than windows ,its windows that doesnt run as well as osx.
So sergeant peppers you're doing the right thing but might I suggest you something a little cheaper and a little bit more customized to your needs. The problem with apple computers is the fact that you either get something average in terms of power or something totally out of proportion. their is no middle choice... in other words you either get a mac pro or an imac
there is no in between.(and thats very unfortunate)
Now, you could build your own system running osx. Thats the perfect compromise. there is also a totally legal way to do that.
using efix you'll be able to have osx recognize your hardware... basically its a hardware piece that you fix on your motherboard on a pin which does act as a bios kind of translater..Apple computer have a different bios. therefore you cant just buy a motherboard and install osx.
So with efx all you gotta do is buy a copy of osx and install osx just like on a real mac.
You could also use some cracked osx like leo4all which works wonders... (its very stable solution but not as easy to sort and it will use some of your computer ressources to run) IF YOU GO FOR THAT DON'T FORGET TO BUY THE OSX LICENSE OR THAT WOULD BE LIKE STILLING.
Although the best in my opinion is efix. There is a list of compatible harwdware on their site so all you need to do is build something with what is available on that list... you'll build a very nice computer running the original osx without lost of performance nor problems. and the beauty of it is that you can still run windows if your really need too. 
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Upavas
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Posted : Nov 27, 2008 21:50
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On 2008-11-27 13:37, ZorK wrote:
The biggest problem with cubase is that there is no 8core support..it just doesn`t undestand 8cores..so there is for example an big advantage on Logic..
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This is also a probl;em in FL Studio I hear!
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Spindrift
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Posted : Nov 27, 2008 22:08
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On 2008-11-27 21:00, Seppa wrote:
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I'm not having any issues with XP when it comes to stability, spyware or malware.
I have 5 computers with XP at home and none have any anti-virus or anti-spyware (apart from ClamAV which I use for manual scans of suspect files).
I do use nLite and tweak quite a bit, but to me it seems like most XP users seem to think it's stable.
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On 2008-11-27 21:00, Seppa wrote:
live doesnt run better on osx than windows ,its windows that doesnt run as well as osx.
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I'm not sure what you are saying there really, but Live does run better under both XP and Vista than under OSX.
If you browse the Ableton forums they have some benchmark threads going and I have seen a few people using bootcamp to compare performance on identical hardware, and at least in those tests Windows tends to be a few percent faster.
Anyway...this discussion is very old, but regarding the topic:
One thing about the iMac is that as far as I can see there is only one advantage with the all-in one approach, and that's design considerations...it's part of the original Mac concept to have an all-in-one unit due to some feeling it's suppose to provide the user with.
There are only drawbacks to that approach unless you see the computer foremost as a fashion accessory or simply do not have space for a separate box for the computer.
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Kane
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Posted : Nov 28, 2008 06:52
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To add to Seppa's post: http://store.psystar.com/
Although they're being sued by Apple..
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Seppa
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Posted : Nov 28, 2008 20:05
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The performances of todays affordable computers does makes any benchmark between osx and windows look useless. there is no way on earth with my current system that I would worry about loosing some power while running osx.
Spindrift is your computer connected online ?
and do you have osx? Do you use it for audio regularly on a modern machine?
My system is connected to the internet all the time... no spyware no malware no firewall no antivirus . just osx. that doesnt stop me from doing what i want with my rig. I couldnt do that with windows I had to have a seperate partition for internet and games. this just one thing out of 1000s that makes osx more stable and user friendly. even the finder is amazing comparing to the browser in windows. you can organize yourself a bit better.
I'm comparing the two systems. Which I know very well.
Anyway there is no point talking about it any longer, I didn't accept the fact that osx was much much better until I actually had leopard running in my studio as my main rig. Thats when I flipped to the other side. On the other hand I still don't have an apple computer its my rig with my components. that makes it more attractive to me because its exaclty what I need..(and its cheaper)
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Spindrift
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Posted : Nov 28, 2008 22:02
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On 2008-11-28 20:05, Seppa wrote:
The performances of todays affordable computers does makes any benchmark between osx and windows look useless. there is no way on earth with my current system that I would worry about loosing some power while running osx.
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I agree...a few percent performance is not much to worry about today, so it's not a very strong reason to avoid OSX. But since it was claimed that OSX should offer performance benefits I just wanted to correct that.
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Spindrift is your computer connected online ?
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Yes, my computers is online connected trough a router with a basic ingoing firewall.
Years ago I did get a virus when using IE on a regular XP install. Now I always use the latest version of FF and the risk of getting infected simply by visiting a website is pretty much non-existent.
The big risk with windows I guess is the fact that there is so much software from a lot of unknown authors out there and you have to be careful what you install....but when I doubt I always do a ClamAV scan.
And I have not run OSX. I used macs in the 90's...back then it was no doubt they where more reliable machines for audio use.
But I'm very glad that it is not the case anymore since I really dislike Apples business practices.
I like the openness and freedom of choice that has developed in both the software and hardware world and there is just no way for me to support a company like Apple.
So obviously I cannot comment on the OSX experience, but I really don't understand when people get completely lyrical about the OS. I spend very little time actually playing around with the OS...and that's despite the fact that I am a bit of a geek and probably spend a lot more time tweaking than the average user.
Mainly I use the computer to run software and the OS is just a shell for me to do that. So for me it's only a few criteria that is important:
1) Available software.
2) Stability.
3) Performance and resources used.
I have not seen any convincing arguments for that OSX should be better on any of those points.
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My system is connected to the internet all the time... no spyware no malware no firewall no antivirus . just osx. that doesnt stop me from doing what i want with my rig. I couldnt do that with windows I had to have a seperate partition for internet and games. |
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Just like my XP systems then.
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even the finder is amazing comparing to the browser in windows. you can organize yourself a bit better. |
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Explorer indeed sucks...just like most software that comes with windows.
Luckily there are 100's of alternatives to explorer. Personally I use Directory Opus.
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On 2008-11-28 20:05, Seppa wrote:
Anyway there is no point talking about it any longer, I didn't accept the fact that osx was much much better until I actually had leopard running in my studio as my main rig. Thats when I flipped to the other side. On the other hand I still don't have an apple computer its my rig with my components. that makes it more attractive to me because its exaclty what I need..(and its cheaper) |
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Sure...I cannot say anything about the OSX experience, but the only arguments I hear are supposed solutions to problems I do not have.
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Seppa
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Posted : Nov 28, 2008 22:41
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What I hate the most about Apple is the arrogance of Steve jobs and company. the rest is purely a question of survival. osx is the only mass produced commercial operating system that rivals microsoft they must do what they do to survive. Because otherwise they would be eaten alive by the the giant microsoft.
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while I used both I can say this.
Windows is something you can tweak and you can surely have great performances and stability if you know what you're doing and if you're careful !!. At the end of the day its the most used platform in the world so there are ways to get the needed result.
Osx will do the job no matter what. its less tweakable but it sure works well from the start without getting third party software for fairly basic task(and often testing them)
Spindrift you are experienced and you probably didnt start tweakin your rig because you make music. but more because you like to do it and seem to be someone who's been doing it for a some time. Just like me.
But for the new guy I think osx will bring all the tool and the workflow one needs out of the box. Even me I found osx to be more adequate while I've been taking the piss at apple user who couldnt do a simple job on windows in the past(because they would never need to do that same job on osx)
At the end of the day both operating system work and both have advantages and disadvantages.
To be completely honest it was never the need to change os that brought me to osx, Logic was the reason. I used to work with version 5 on pc and until recently I couldnt afford a mac. so I had to stick with Cubase and later Live for a few years. Now I'm back with logic and I'm very happy. So I didnt move to osx for the OS. But now I'm sure glad I did.
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ansolas
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Posted : Nov 28, 2008 23:08
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kaopor
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Posted : Nov 30, 2008 22:48
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can anyone give me more info about the onboard sound card of the new imac?
is it adequate or need to buy an extrernal? |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Dec 1, 2008 00:06
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On 2008-11-28 22:41, Seppa wrote:
At the end of the day both operating system work and both have advantages and disadvantages.
To be completely honest it was never the need to change os that brought me to osx, Logic was the reason. I used to work with version 5 on pc and until recently I couldn't afford a mac. so I had to stick with Cubase and later Live for a few years. Now I'm back with logic and I'm very happy. So I didnt move to osx for the OS. But now I'm sure glad I did.
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Sure...I'm certain OSX works just fine and like I said I don't really care much about the OS and it's the applications that is important.
I have been using Notator and Logic since the first versions and really think it's a great sequencer, so I can understand switching OS to be able to use that.
But I do have a bit difficulty swallowing the way Apple bought up Emagic to make sure Logic is Mac exclusive. They would surely have made more money on Logic by keeping it dual platform, but Apples plans is not to sell Logic but to sell screwed over Emagic customers every single hardware component and accessory as well as the software.
I understand that they want to maximize profits, but if they do that in clearly customer hostile manner hopefully I'm not the only consumer who refuse to have anything to do with their products.
The whole Emagic deal is just one example of how they conduct business....they are really the undisputed kings of capitalizing on proprietary hardware lock-in and DRM.
The better business they make the more the rest of the industry will look at them and think "why all this open standards and platforms...we thought customers demanded that".
I think we where very lucky that IBM did not maintain control over the PC platform and that we instead have standards that any vendor can develop for...they could have done a Steve Jobs and put their lawyers on anyone selling hardware that can run their OS and even block software other than their own from being used on their machines without their permission.
It might have been good business for them to do so, but it would have been bad for the consumers. Probably at that time it would been hard for them to accomplish without for example the DMCA, and it's no doubt that the fact that it practically was an open platform was a big factor in it's success.
But today laws and people have changed I guess and maybe it's time for the computer business to go proprietary again, but I'm sure not going to actively contribute to that happening.
Anyway...use what you like, but it can also be worth considering not only what you get out of it but also anything you purchase have an impact on the rest of the society...and while open vs. proprietary might not be the most burning issue to think about as a consumer it certainly seem to be a lot of people not considering those implications when it comes to OSX vs. other OS's...infact a lot of people seem to be under an illusion that MS is evil and Apple is good when from a customers perspective that is certainly not the case.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Dec 1, 2008 00:33
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I have worked with both PC and Mac (currently have a MacPro running Logic 8) and I can tell you that my good ol' Win98SE PC, did not crash anymore often than my MacPro.
The only reason I got a MacPro is because of Logic.
Its definitely not worth splashing out on a Mac if you plan to use Cubase.
But then again its definitely not worth going back to Cubase once you've used Logic 8
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Dec 2, 2008 22:44
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I switched to mac and I use cubase.
My system is more stable now. Also the bootcamped XP is more stable than all my previous XP installations on PCs but not as stable as the OSx.
I have 10Gigs of RAM and don't need to think about 64 bits and drivers etc.
For me it was well worth it. OSx simply is the better OS.
As for cubase not understanding 8-Cores:
http://knowledgebase.steinberg.net/278_1.html
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