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IM - CV What went wrong? (sound wise)
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AvS
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Posted : Mar 24, 2007 23:28
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First of all let's not get into what people think about the album but has anyone besides me wondered what the hell went wrong with IM - Converting Vegetarians?
One thing about B.P Empire i really like was that it was so well mixed and the the low frequencies are insane! So deep but very well controlled. It sounds really full and fat but Converting Vegetarians is SOOOOO thin! Zero lowend. :/ Very strange. Tracks like Song Pong for example. WTF?
I remember they got a new studio at some point. So was CV produced in another studio than the BP Empire was? It seems logical. Or did they get new monitors?
Another strange thing is that Deeply Disturbed sounds ok. It sound like a track from the BP Empire time.
Anyone else wondered about the same ting?
I think its pretty notisable.
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Elad
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Posted : Mar 25, 2007 11:02
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Tomos
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Posted : Mar 25, 2007 19:10
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Well I just heard their latest album, so regardless of your request for sound quality comments on an old release, I'm going to deviate because I feel like posting an opinion!
Sound wise? IM sound is very clean.. no trouble there.
CV doesn't sound thin to me, same style and sound, just different songs.
A Psyreviews review put it very well and said that CV was a bit of a 'fuck off' to psychedelic and an experimentation with writing music. Which I think every artist is entitled to do, regardless of the following they might have attained - maybe write under a different name? Whatever, it's the artists choice.
I think IM are great producers.
If we're talking about songs and music.. Supervisor was NOT psychedelic at all - in my opinion, it had good fun tracks, it was musical - I liked it. However, it wouldn't suck you in and guide your trip if you were high, but it was respectable, different and interesting.
This last release, Vicious Delicious (or VD as it abbreviates to!) sounds like 'screw our history, let's go as mainstream and commercial as we possibly can'
Honestly, it's all rap, r'n'b, guitar power and Emo junk.. it simply does not appeal to me. It sounds like they've lost the plot musically and are taking their influence from chart music.. it's mad. If that album got into the top 20 in the UK it wouldn't surprise me at all..
Disposable.. is all I can say.
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AvS
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Posted : Mar 25, 2007 23:44
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Fine but I thougt I made it pretty clear that this was not meant to be a thread about music but about sound/production. There are just as many threads about their music style as there are oppinions.
It's subjective so lets not discuss it please.
I'm not trying to be arrogant but if you can't hear the extremly low level of lowend freqencies on many of the CV tracks, espacially Song Ping as i mentioned then you either havnt compared it to the other IM albums or something its wrong with you monitorring. Please don't be offended but i really think its THAT nottisable.
I actually made this short mp3 with the clips from tracks that illustrates my point the best.
http://www.steinholtz.dk/snd/IM_thin.mp3
It's Song Pong, PGM, Mushi Mushi and Song Pong again.
PGM and Mushi Mushi are so beafy, fat and warm. Song Pong is just cliky cliky tik tik. Thin as hell. :/ Can't possibly be deliberate.
But theres no point in duscussing this really. No one knows why that it only IM does.
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 26, 2007 00:44
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yes a lot of psytrance sound like this ,to me it s the compression who remove all life,it s sound squashed to hell ,it tired the ears even at low level or maybe it distort ... not sure it s that but it s the sound i had when i abused compression. |
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Tomos
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Posted : Mar 26, 2007 00:51
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Apologies.. I just felt left out not posting an opinion on it.
I'll listen and get back to you with an answer to your first question. |
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AvS
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Posted : Mar 26, 2007 00:53
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I agree that when you compress/limit a track heavily it will lose alot of "life" and in many cases lowend freq.
I also thought that that could be a reson for CV sounding so thin but actually its not very loud mastered compared to other tracks/albums. IM the Supervisor is louder and its still got a lot more lowend than CV. |
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 26, 2007 01:04
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maybe it s souding better for some people, it s a matter of taste , if you like it phat with dynamic or tight with no life  ,when listening to the example i realize it s sounding dated when it s not very compressed haha |
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