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ApsyDrop
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Posted : Mar 2, 2004 10:57
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I wonder if a lot of psychedelic trance artists and record labels are aware that using samples from movies or anything else.. like games ... etc..etc.... is completely illegal.
Even remixing tracks......
I can't remember who did that Prodigy - Voodoo people remix.. I think it was Eskimo.. but apparently he is in real hot water for doing that... i mean... couldn't he think that he'd need to get the copyright rights to actually do something like that?
I think that the movie industry and the rest of the music industry will eventually catch up with the psy scene... start looking at all the albums and songs released... and start sueing for royalties... because.. at the end of the day.. they deserve these royalties because they used their equipment and time to capture their sounds.
So much music these days have samples from movies and stuff.. and it's cool... but i think it's time that a lot of the artists actually got off their asses and learnt how to use a microphone and do proper professional recordings....
oh yeah.... and let's not even get started on the use of illegal software.......
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zooter
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Posted : Mar 2, 2004 12:04
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i could be very mistaken here, but apparently very short clips (upto 22 secs or something like that) can be flicked without worrying about copyright issues |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Mar 2, 2004 12:40
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UMMAgUMMA
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Posted : Mar 2, 2004 20:33
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using samples from movies or anything else.. like games ... etc..etc.... is completely illegal.
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Heheheh Matrix creators have alot to sue 
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psilocybe
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Posted : Mar 2, 2004 20:48
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yeah matrix... and x-men... and FEAR AND LOATHING!!! |
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eMpTy
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Posted : Mar 2, 2004 22:43
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ApsyDrop, what exactly is your point?
If an artist can complete a track, believe me they can use a microphone. Most artists have limited voice generation equipment re. http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/30839/forum/2 . Imagine you live in Scandinavia and you have this track that would sound killer with the "smell of napalm" speech from AN. Not only is it copyright infringment to use the sample but it is also infringment to use the words in that order! So you get a friend to say "I do enjoy the whif of Napalm just before breakfast" and no offence to the Scandanavians but it just isn't going to work with that oidy doidy accent. You have to remember that these lines in movies are delivered by paid professionals who have rehearsed (maybe not, looking at you Arnie) these lines countless times.
Maybe it is a cunning plan on the artists behalf. It is a lot easier for me to ask for the song that has the **** sample as opposed to the song that goes bleep. I think you will find the majority of trax don't have recognizable movie samples either, it is just easier to remember. That is why the music isn't so popular because people like familiarity, words to cling on to, makes them feel safe.
I don't know what your psychadellic histroy is like but have you ever had that experience when you've been tripping (not that I have ever taken any kind of drug but this is what I heard) and listening to psy music and then you kind of fold in on yourself and get stuck in a kind of linear loop and proptly scare the shit out of yourself where apon you, whatever that is, flys back into your body saying what the fuck was that (at least that is what I heard). I don't think these experiences can happen during a track if the experiencer is savouring or anticipating any part of a track.
That was a bit OT.
But Colin is right it comes down to the $ in the end and the movie studios have bigger fish to fry.
I am going to start another thread about the ethicial use of samples but has nothing to do with copyright.
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TiMMY
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Posted : Mar 2, 2004 22:44
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About the remixes - None of this remixes actually get released, so there's nothing ilegal here (well, there is, but seems like nobody gives a damn).
About the ones that do get released - they are mostly covers and therefore there is nothing ilegal here. |
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Jikkenteki
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Posted : Mar 3, 2004 05:19
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Sorry but "covers" especially need to have the rights procured and paid for. Bands (and more often the bars they play in) in the US can get into some huge legal trouble for not paying for rights to cover other artists music. If anything it is legally even worse than a few second sample and your chances of facing legal action are much much higher.
Even if a track is "unreleased", if it is played in a public forum (i.e. a DJ spins it) it is fair game for any and all legal action, since that consititutes as public performance and any violation of the laws regarding copyright issues are fair game.
You must also keep in mind, there are two entirely different types of copy rights. One is for the music itself and the other is for the recording. Covers fall under the first catagory while samples from movies etc fall under that later. While in foreign countries the laws are a bit different in regards to the copyrights on records (covered for 50 years in Europe), in the US there are NO sound records that are public domain (unless made so by the creator) and won't be until 2067 (in the US records are currently covered for 95 years)
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zooter
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Posted : Mar 3, 2004 07:10
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Jikkenteki,
if a dj spins a track at a club, do u think that is legal??? Every cd has a clear message saying "NO unauthorized broadcast or performance"
do u really believe all the dj's get clearance from the record lables before playing the tracks???
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Boogieman
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Posted : Mar 3, 2004 07:18
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Jikkenteki
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Posted : Mar 3, 2004 09:57
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On 2004-03-03 07:10, zooter wrote:
Jikkenteki,
if a dj spins a track at a club, do u think that is legal??? Every cd has a clear message saying "NO unauthorized broadcast or performance"
do u really believe all the dj's get clearance from the record lables before playing the tracks???
(im gonna commit suicide if you say yes!)
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Legally speaking, yes rights to all the tracks spun need to be cleared before ANY broadcast or performance. However, there was a industry wide decision made several years ago that they would "over look" these issues in the case of most live dj situations (on the air broadcasts ala radio are a major execption, but in those cases the radio station has the rights issues taken care of... one would hope). The reasoning behind this issue was that if they cracked down on DJs there would be 1 - a huge backlash from the public and 2 - that djs serve as a good form for free advertising, so what they lose in broadcast loyalities, they are probably making up in sales due to the "free advertising" done by the DJ.
This is the current situation as it stands, but technically the rights for each song are supposed to be cleared and royalities paid. In "most" cases the club should in theory have this taken care of with annual payments made to cover the royalities for covers and songs that will be played in their club, but you might be surprised at the number of clubs who try and skimp on that. One shot parties in odd locations "should" take care of this as well, but you can be sure that very few actually do. The industry could of course change its mind at any moment and demand their money, but I don't see it happening anytime in the near future, unless R.I.A.A. decides to add another witchhunt to their list.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Mar 3, 2004 23:41
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In the UK the Performing Rights Society (PRS) issues licenses to premises where copyrighted music (ie all recorded music) will be played or performed. These include clubs, shops, radio stations, etc. Major music users, particularly radio stations and chain-stores, notify the PRS of the details of music they play so that the income from these licenses can be distributed amongst the copyright owners concerned. There is currently a drive to get DJs to fill in PRS forms too, as this can provide dance music artists with valuable income.
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D,Rosengren
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Posted : Mar 4, 2004 01:31
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I just discoverd that the lyrics in Ott´s song "smoked glass and chrome" are from another song that I dont know the name of... I wonder if Ott got trights to use the lyrics.. |
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FluoSamsara (Oxygen)
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Posted : Mar 4, 2004 01:41
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On 2004-03-04 01:31, D,Rosengren wrote:
I just discoverd that the lyrics in Ott´s song "smoked glass and chrome" are from another song that I dont know the name of... I wonder if Ott got trights to use the lyrics..
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Many many samples from OTT are from Akai sample cds (i was really disapointed when I found it btw...), so its normal that you'll find them in other tracks.... |
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