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Illegal Programs and Paying back
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Trevon
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Posted : Jul 21, 2011 22:58
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sometimes the big studios and big artists are endorsed, which means that they receive FREE copies of the software.
the rich ones don't need to pay.. the poor ones use cracked software. the brands receive = zero!  |
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PoM
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Posted : Jul 22, 2011 00:50
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the problem when you have spent lot of money in software, you start to think to the hardware you could have bought with that amount of money lol , it s like there is nothing concret with software, it s virtual.. as long as it get me the sound i m after i don t see it as a big problem but 100 $ here and there in few years it start to make a lot. |
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PoM
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Posted : Jul 22, 2011 01:13
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Inner Demon
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Posted : Jul 22, 2011 02:07
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On 2011-07-21 00:13, willsanquil wrote:
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On 2011-07-20 19:28, Inner Demon wrote:
The idea of using cracked software and paying back later is utterly flawed. Why?
First of all I don't believe most people who say this - after all they were able to afford at least a decent computer, soundcard and monitors. Why not software? That's what a computer is for.
Secondly, making music with high-end software is not a human right. People have varying financial opportunities and that may be rough but its reality.
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Just because you don't believe something doesn't mean it isn't true  I recently purchased Omnisphere. It was $500. There is no way on EARTH that I would spend that amount of money on *any* software if I did not get a chance to really test it out for a long period of time. So, I downloaded a cracked version and used it for a couple of months and then bought it.
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What you're describing is that you did afford it, but you wanted to ensure that the investment was sound. Often the lack of decent demos will drive any sane consumer to do this. Few people buy a house unseen.
To me, that is entirely different from using a product indefinitely that you are no where near able to afford, with the argument that you would buy it if it was cheaper!? (which isn't even an argument really)
The latter (which daark was on about) implies that you feel you have some kind of inherent right to own it despite not being able to pay the asked price. Now I'm fully aware of the complexities of software in this regard (i.e. it doesn't cost suppliers anything if someone who never had an intention to purchase uses a cracked version). I just find it to be a weird going-in attitude.
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At one point I probably had close to 40,000 worth of cracked sofware too. Well, maybe like 10,000 - 40 is fucking excessive. Anyways, I got this crazy idea that as long as I had *all* of the newest and best pieces of software that I'd be super pro and make the killarghest sounds ever right?
Wrong. Having that much software means that you take it all for granted and move along to the next piece of perceived new hotness and you never truly learn the tools that you do have because you didn't have to expend any effort to get them.
However - spend a couple hundred bucks on something and you are using that shit all the time - and even if you are using it just because you spent money on it you *will* learn more about it because you're spending more time with it.
The best thing I ever did for myself was delete all but 2-3 synths and decide to buy and learn them - since then my system is more stable, my synth knowledge has improved and I don't at all feel guilty about my setup as it's getting more legit with each purchase.
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Completely agree, no argument there. Exactly what I meant when saying who needs $40 000 of cracked vst's. Sorry if unclear 
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Still haven't bought Ableton though - fuckin expensive. Maybe when 9 comes out.
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and I thought Omnisphere was more expensive 
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Also - on the point of music being a human right...The UN just decided that cutting off someone's internet is a violation of their human rights. If the internet is a fundamental human right, then I would say it's not such a huge jump to say that computers are a fundamental human right and from there it's a small jump to music sofware.
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Well, IMO there's a clear distinction. In countries where internet infrastructure is prevalent, blocking someone's access on purpose can be considered a violation of the right to freedom of speech.
If the same person's connection was cut because they didn't pay their internet bill I'm pretty sure the UN wouldn't give a shit.
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I think the coolest thing about piracy is that anyone with a computer can access professional level tools regardless of their income.
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I hear you and I think its pretty cool too, but my point was that piracy has created a skewed expectation among kids that retail prices should really be much lower. Only reason for this seems to be that they're used to getting all the latest and greatest for free. |
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MIKE333ACE
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Posted : Jul 23, 2011 09:15
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On 2011-07-18 20:20:14, kabbalisticvillage wrote:
I am guilty of downloading a couple of really good Vst's....i am starting slowly to pay back the companies.I e-mailed Lennard from Sylenth1 and he sent me a bill.lol.Did any of u ever do this with a justification that i'll pay back when i got cash but i need to make music rite now.
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I agree, I think that when your young and you don't have the money, but you think you have the talent, you just want to make music. But when your older, and you have the money, and ESPECIALLY if you've made money from your music by using that program, then you deffinantly should pay them back.
I am only 14 and at the moment I owe The creators of Nexus after torrenting it. But I can confirm that I will pay them back, because they need the support and they've helped me a lot in making my music. |
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mudpeople
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Posted : Jul 23, 2011 17:51
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Honestly, in my experience there arent too many commercial plugs that I want to buy. Audiorealism Bassline 2, um, Brainworx XL... A good paragraphic EQ... ImpOSCar... Maybe the Memorymoon plugins... Oh yeah, all the TubeOhm plugs, Camel Phat, and WOK CLOCKWOrK... And maybe MAYBE the Korg Legacy or at least the Mono/poly
Ive tried all the 'demo' versions i can find, and more often than not they don't sound too much better than freeware, or theyre too limited for my taste, or sound so unique they stand out (a la synplant).
Specifically virtual-analog commercial plugs more often than not sound 'plastic' to me, more than for example Elektrostudio or TAL freeware VAs, in my ears, so more often than not the commercial VAs end up deleted.
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dreadieg
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Posted : Jul 23, 2011 21:42
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i used a crack of live 9 for years, just bought it recently and it's like night and day.
i'm po, but now that i write often, it makes a big difference.
honestly, i kind of like the idea of hitting up the programer, and being like "look, i'm sorry i jacked your hard work, but i'm finally in a good enough place to pay you. thanks for not being a dick and hunting me down with weapons. love your program"
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jul 24, 2011 01:16
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Vermeee
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Posted : Jul 24, 2011 01:23
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On 2011-07-23 17:51, mudpeople wrote:
A good paragraphic EQ...
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glisseq bro..u wont go wrong in this one
http://soundcloud.com/bgos |
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mudpeople
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Posted : Jul 24, 2011 03:11
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Oooh, and its available in 64bit (real, licensed)demo downloading. Ive been happy using Melda's MEqualizer which is also nice, but not quite as nice as that. Its the best freeware EQ Ive used, Ill happily be using MEq til i can spare enough for the GlissEQ.
Voxengo is made of win, with big, easy to understand knobs and sliders. I recommend their, well, everything, but particularly MSED and the mid/side Overtone GEQ which are both free. SPAN too Ive heard is a great FFT spec analyzer freeware, Ive been using BlueCat's spec-an but its kinda lo-res now that I think of it...
Ive just recently joined the 21st century and am running x64, so now Im looking for 64 bit plugins such as Voxengo's to feed to Reaper, which afaik is one of few 64 bit audio programs (i hesitate to call it a DAW), for Windows at least. . |
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Jul 24, 2011 03:17
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On 2011-07-24 01:23, Vermeee wrote:
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On 2011-07-23 17:51, mudpeople wrote:
A good paragraphic EQ...
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glisseq bro..u wont go wrong in this one
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I'd say Fabfilter Pro-Q.
http://www.fabfilter.com/products/pro-q.php
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mudpeople
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Posted : Jul 24, 2011 07:03
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Another thing that I justified using "demo" fullware for, is to learn the program in question above and beyond any demo. Im specifically thinking of Ableton which, if im not mistaken, doesnt even offer free demos? Idk i tried to find a Lite on the site and all I found was Intro, for a Benjamin US. If I was going to spend a bil on a program, it wouldn't be a halfling Ableton.
Im still learning the subtleties of Live, 4 ish years after really seriously getting into it. Plus, I rarely use any of Live's native plugins, or synths. Do racks count as plugins? If I was oging to spend 800 US + for teh Suite, I would realllly like to put Analog, Operator, Sampler, Impulse and the rest to use; as it is, I don't use them, don't HAVE a use for them that isn't filled by vsts, and anyway 97% of my producing is done in Renoise. Which is 50 euro, for 10 .x versions. (Mine began at 1.5.1, so its now two .x outdated, so I need another license, dammit wouldn;t you know; they trucked out a shitton of great new features JUST AS MY LCIENSE EXPIRED, the jerks. I blame dblue, Renoise's figurehead. Isnt that the best use for a figurehead? He's a limey he ought to know about such things).
Ive also been really intrigued by Audiomulch; its a bit different of an interface, and takes a bit mroe setting up than Live, but it does most of what I use Live for; dj and live sets. Another program that has real potential is BloXpander, its a general VST host and a different approach to live performance than Ableton; any looping has to be done by VSTs, but thats fine cuz Ive cut away most of the loops from my live set.
Audiomulch is I think 150 US, and BloXpander is around that, maybe 200 US.
All you need to do to be entranced by Audiomulch is demo it and play some of the demo songs that don't actually have any sound generation devices, instead use 100% feedback, looped.
I think Im going to see about porting my live setup to Mulch, now taht ive got it in mind
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Jul 24, 2011 21:47
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My most popular plugin which was completely free, very well received and used in many professionally released recordings topped out at circa 900 downloads.
I probably could have charged £20 uk sterling, but at this point would have been surprised to have seen 50 purchases on previous experience.
My latest synth which sounded great and also well received got less than 200 downloads. I probably could have charged £30 for that.
The synth I have spent the last 2 and a half years developing would probably get £50 but I struggle to actually sell it at all ... But lets say I managed to SELL as many as my most successful plugin got in free downloads.
That's £45,000 before tax for two and a half years work, assuming I at least equal a very popular plugin that was given away for free (ie very, very unlikely - irrespective of quality I'd be lucky to do one tenth of that), so, I'd be (well) below the average uk income.
Ie not getting rich in this country. I love my family and I'm not moving country to develop vats.
If anyone thinks vst developers are getting rich - they're fucking stupid.
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Jul 24, 2011 23:52
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13 years i didt pay for any vsts so why should i start ? (If you will find an gold bag .. Full with coins , 10 kg pure gold under the street lights .. You will go to police station and say "Hey look .. I find gold" , I dont think so ..) . I got 100 vsts 70 % 2010 - 2011 , And if ill find more (The truth is that im not even looking for , They just fall from the sky into my computer by friends and those) . I also have new vsts thats are already here and i just have to get in google and download the key number to get in .. And i dont/Cant find the time to do this simple 5 min' act move And actualy i dont care or think about . For me the 'New World' is bringing us surprises .. You want to be one of those who stay behind thats cool too , Saving money for vsts (Imo) Thats an funny thing to do , But .. Each one with his own way , thoughts and conscience , And dont worry 99.9 % of the all psy artists are working with an un legal vsts and programs (Lets be honest and face the truth) .
Only Colin Odd is working/Using an orginal Cubase 5 ! .
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Jul 24, 2011 23:58
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We have original cubase 5 also........
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