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willsanquil
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Posted : Jul 20, 2011 18:12
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Rich pigs?
I seriously doubt the people making Sylenth are raking in the cash.
You think $200 for a soft synth is bad?
Try making music 10 years ago when you had to buy hardware. You can bet your ass it wasn't $200. More like $2000.
Oh, BTW - you cracking someones software isn't screwing them...because you never intended to buy it in the first place.
Doesn't cost them money to have some other piracy site host their shit.
Please though, go on continuing to think you're some sort of e-Rebel or something. DAMN THE MAN and all that shit.
You want to rage against the Machine? Try doing something a little bit more productive then bitching about the cost of music software.
Ridiculous.
  If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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Trevon
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Posted : Jul 20, 2011 19:01
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people use nexus, omnisphere, ni komplete synths, waves bundle.. goliath.. and they release tracks and play gigs and buy nothing! massive abuse 
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Inner Demon
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Posted : Jul 20, 2011 19:02
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On 2011-07-20 17:23, daark wrote:
I say the prices are too immoral ... even 200$ for sylenth is a rip off .
Half of the music now would not exist if not cracked softs.
The prices are insane !!! They really diserve being cracked.
If the piece of soft costs me 1000$ i would crack even if i wont use just for the satisfaction of srewing those guys back.
If a guy would come to me and try to sell me a piece of bread for 2000$ i would probably steal it and feel great about it.
Sorry, but i don't feel sorry about rich pigs wanting to get even richer.
Now who owns cubase ??? And how much does it cost ???
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I'm a happy legit owner of Cubase 6. Cost $500 and it bloody rocks! Same price as Logic for that matter.
There are perfectly good free or cheap alternatives so what's your problem?
Oh, and companies don't just make up prices to insult you. Based on experience they charge high enough to cover costs and make a reasonable profit while keeping it low enough that a sufficient amount of people will purchase. So customers like me who do purchase to a price that you think is too high are the ones you should blame then, not the developers who are just making a living.
Glad I could piss you off 
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Inner Demon
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Posted : Jul 20, 2011 19:28
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Also, let's settle this stupid discussion.
The idea of using cracked software and paying back later is utterly flawed. Why?
First of all I don't believe most people who say this - after all they were able to afford at least a decent computer, soundcard and monitors. Why not software? That's what a computer is for.
Secondly, making music with high-end software is not a human right. People have varying financial opportunities and that may be rough but its reality.
Do you think it sounds reasonable to walk into say, a tennis club and argue that you wanna become a pro player, but you can't afford equipment or practice hours yet. BUT if they'd just let you practice 10 years for free you would pay them back when you win your first Grand Slam.
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Vermeee
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Posted : Jul 20, 2011 19:37
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On 2011-07-20 17:23, daark wrote:
I say the prices are too immoral ... even 200$ for sylenth is a rip off .
Half of the music now would not exist if not cracked softs.
The prices are insane !!! They really diserve being cracked.
If the piece of soft costs me 1000$ i would crack even if i wont use just for the satisfaction of srewing those guys back.
If a guy would come to me and try to sell me a piece of bread for 2000$ i would probably steal it and feel great about it.
Sorry, but i don't feel sorry about rich pigs wanting to get even richer.
Now who owns cubase ??? And how much does it cost ???
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im with u on this... altho lately i ve been buyin few plugins that s worth to buy... coz u know u can trust that plug in and u can get rid of all those garbage we have in our computer of plugs in...and they werent so expensive realy...
exemple.. i bought the gliss eq and i removed all the other craked eq bundles from my pc, i bought the u he bundle effect and i removed from my computer all the other fx packages ( less the NOMAD BLUE TUBES ONE:P hahaha ) i also got a nice compresor that zork indicated that was costin 20 dolaaars...
but i only did it coz i knew i could trust on those plug ins coz i tried before and they are not so expensive... ( well the gliss eq could just be little lower the price but for the beneficy of it , its worth. ).
it made me feel good but at the same time i felt greed.. do i really need to waste money on those things? capitalism s a broken system..
i could just waste those extra money that i saved in some weed..
but i guess in the mood i was it was correct to invest in those plug ins i was usin a lot...and i knew i could clean my computer from all the other trashe haha waves as exemple
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daark
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Posted : Jul 20, 2011 20:09
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well i have 40,000 $ of cracked software at the least ... Yes i use that software.
Money i wish i had but i don't, and i would buy all this only in case i had zillions of dollars.
I really don't care if artists release on cracked soft...
The only reason ppl who should buy this softs and why it is so god damn expensive is that large studios with tons of money buy it and don't even feel the price the way a small person would on his pocket. Because they make millions same as the software makers. So if you feel so good about buying those plugins and feeling i gave something back go ahead.
500$ for cubase ? no, they are not rich... 200$ for one poor sylenth ... lets say 10000 ppl own it. no they are not rich they are poor.... if i would buy all that i would be so deep in debts that it is just not reasonable.
I would just have to sit at home and mastrubate staring at a white wall. Because movies, music, games and programs cost you money.
I bet that lennar digital really paid 20000$ for original VS C++. And all engeniers use original 20000$ autocad and solidworks.
And why wont you buy your windows and antivirus. It only cost you few hundreds.
I really have a big WTF sign in my head when i hear the prices and people do pay .I bet the companies are so happy when they have to own every soft by law and pay milllliooons on softs and the price is not negotiatable.
So yes they are big rich filthy pigs with small people working for them.
Steinber is yamaha corporation. 70% of the world is water the other 30% is yamahas money.
Feel good about giving more and more for them buying soft and hard wares...
How is the richest person in the world is rich because of a software ???? huh ?
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Inner Demon
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Posted : Jul 20, 2011 21:45
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On 2011-07-20 20:09, daark wrote:
The only reason ppl who should buy this softs and why it is so god damn expensive is that large studios with tons of money buy it and don't even feel the price the way a small person would on his pocket.
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Maybe you should lay off music and take an economics 101 course instead. If lowering the price meant that millions of "small people" as you call us, would purchase the software, don't you think they would? They will do what maximizes profits and lowering the price ain't it. Tough luck.
You speak as if developers around the world have some sort of inherent obligation to provide poor people with cheap but still amazingly great software. Well they don't and if you can't handle that then why don't you write your own softsynths?
And how can anyone need $40 000 of cracked software? For pretty much every expensive plugin you have you can find a good free alternative as well, support those developers instead - they are doing exactly what you're asking for....
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Upavas
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Posted : Jul 20, 2011 23:54
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jul 21, 2011 00:13
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On 2011-07-20 19:28, Inner Demon wrote:
The idea of using cracked software and paying back later is utterly flawed. Why?
First of all I don't believe most people who say this - after all they were able to afford at least a decent computer, soundcard and monitors. Why not software? That's what a computer is for.
Secondly, making music with high-end software is not a human right. People have varying financial opportunities and that may be rough but its reality.
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Just because you don't believe something doesn't mean it isn't true  I recently purchased Omnisphere. It was $500. There is no way on EARTH that I would spend that amount of money on *any* software if I did not get a chance to really test it out for a long period of time. So, I downloaded a cracked version and used it for a couple of months and then bought it.
At one point I probably had close to 40,000 worth of cracked sofware too. Well, maybe like 10,000 - 40 is fucking excessive. Anyways, I got this crazy idea that as long as I had *all* of the newest and best pieces of software that I'd be super pro and make the killarghest sounds ever right?
Wrong. Having that much software means that you take it all for granted and move along to the next piece of perceived new hotness and you never truly learn the tools that you do have because you didn't have to expend any effort to get them.
However - spend a couple hundred bucks on something and you are using that shit all the time - and even if you are using it just because you spent money on it you *will* learn more about it because you're spending more time with it.
The best thing I ever did for myself was delete all but 2-3 synths and decide to buy and learn them - since then my system is more stable, my synth knowledge has improved and I don't at all feel guilty about my setup as it's getting more legit with each purchase.
Still haven't bought Ableton though - fuckin expensive. Maybe when 9 comes out.
Also - on the point of music being a human right...The UN just decided that cutting off someone's internet is a violation of their human rights. If the internet is a fundamental human right, then I would say it's not such a huge jump to say that computers are a fundamental human right and from there it's a small jump to music sofware.
Sure, right now it's not a fundamental human right that everyone be able to make computer music. Doesn't mean that will always be or should always be the case.
I think the coolest thing about piracy is that anyone with a computer can access professional level tools regardless of their income.
$500 set me back a bit, sure. Now, imagine that same $500 purchase for someone living in rural China or North Korea - that would be months of hard labor. Fuck that!
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daark
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Posted : Jul 21, 2011 00:20
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you get it all wrong,
i mean the engeniers and programmers that work for the corps... Well, it really helps to lower the price for people to buy stuff, if you think about that again, or at least pretending to do it helps.
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If you think about it... they do or at least should.It is an industy, market and buisness. If they want me to buy it, they have to.
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Maybe, some day.But then i will need to pay for c++.
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There are some really nice freeware plugs i have too.
Some of the plugs you can't even buy anymore.
Believe me i understand well all the picture.
Now support who you want. I support the crack teams and my gratitude to them for spending alot of time and hard work to bring us nice toys to play with....
And give you guys the oppurtunity to really check the soft before purchasing.
Now if you really can spend those amounts of money on softs do it.
I am sorry... i'll just keep trying meanwhile.
I really insist that the price is really but really way over the top and should be dropped. So it is atleast affordable and not only to the rich studios (see value above) .
If a soft would cost like 20$-50$ i would consider at least.
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Audiosonic
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Posted : Jul 21, 2011 00:53
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Maybe, some day.But then i will need to pay for c++.
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There are free compilers, and free IDEs too. The VST SDK is free to download from Steinberg.
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If a soft would cost like 20$-50$ i would consider at least.
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There are a lot of cool synths you can get for $50 http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=55725 |
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Upavas
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Posted : Jul 21, 2011 02:33
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Audiosonic
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Posted : Jul 21, 2011 08:38
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There is a cool synthmaker in FL studio, the days where you had to use c++ are over my friend!
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Yes, FL has Synthmaker included, which is a wonderful modular synthesizer environment... but FL is not free
Synthedit is, on the other hand, and allows you to create both instruments and effects.
So even if a free C++ compiler is too much for you, you can still get in the game |
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Jul 21, 2011 21:54
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Even though I do buy my software (after a long period of time where I try it out via cracked software) I do not see it as such a huge thing really.
Many of the big companies actually expect people to use their software "illegal" and even put out the cracked warez themselves making it look like it's pirated (People would stay away if it shined through it was the company leaking their own software and they do not want their competitors to do the same). Why do they do it? Because they know that a potential number of those people using their cracked versions will end up in jobs and eventually being responsible for buying or suggesting the company's choice in software. This is evident in the graphic industry with Adobe's products. And also with some big players in the music-bizz software industry.
As willsanquil I also try out a lot of stuff but usually end up using a limited setup of what I consider top software for my music. Not always the latest software. In the end it's not what makes you a good artist. It's the way you use your software and how good you are at writing, programming and producing.
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aciduss
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Posted : Jul 21, 2011 22:38
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^^
Yes. I've always thought that many of the guys behind 'the scene' are inside studios and companies.
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