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dj jaimz
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Posted : Jun 12, 2008 14:22
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Gidra & Cedric,
I think you misunderstand some of what I say. I know real artists can make music from anything, that's not the problem. And it's great now that people can make music as art more easily. But it's also easier for people to make disposable music, music that's nothing, just bad immitations of other music. The problem is - how are we going to find these true artists when they are sitting alongside so many other people who are not so talented? Who is going to find them and present them to us?
Solve that problem and you will succeed. |
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DJSarasin
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Posted : Jun 12, 2008 15:36
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@DJ Jaimz.
The solution is not to have more labels.
There are labels out there that release shit music too.
Go to Psyshop and see all the Generic Psytrance being pumped out...its the same labels.
Its just as easy to start a label and release CD's as it is to make a shitty track and put it on a MP3 website.
The problem originated with labels releasiing music that should be not released...YET!
As you say...there is a lot of crap out there...and with no quality control.....it makes it worse.
IMO its the labels fault for not having quality control in the beginning. Or the fact that opening a label is piss easy and LOADS of ppl are doing it.
I think Cedric has a valid point and a good idea.
It just needs to be executed correctly.
And seeing as he has been in this game for quite a while....i kinda trust that he has the knowledge and experience and contacts in this business to pull it off.
Go for it dude!
 Beartrap - SA
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talamasca
Talamasca
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Posted : Jun 12, 2008 19:34
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On 2008-06-12 14:22, dj jaimz wrote:
Gidra & Cedric,
I think you misunderstand some of what I say. I know real artists can make music from anything, that's not the problem. And it's great now that people can make music as art more easily. But it's also easier for people to make disposable music, music that's nothing, just bad immitations of other music. The problem is - how are we going to find these true artists when they are sitting alongside so many other people who are not so talented? Who is going to find them and present them to us?
Solve that problem and you will succeed.
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Mmmm...for me, to be abble to listen the track fromthe beginning to the end before to buy it is a good way to avoid those problems...
only one way to know ...  |
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dj jaimz
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Jun 13, 2008 03:34
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Sarasin - you are correct, more labels is not the solution to the problem. There are just as many labels out there that are as unreliable as artists. But at least with labels you know where you stand. When I buy a release from Alchemy, or Hommega, or Iboga, or Neurobiotic, or Twisted - I know what I'm getting will be high quality. Those labels don't flood the market, they put a good month or two between their releases (sometimes a lot longer, when your name is Simon) and then release a quality production. How, through a website that allows content from anyone, will that sort of quality level be maintained?
Talamasca - listening to the track from start to finish is not as helpful as you might think. It means in an hour you can listen to what, 7 tracks? Maybe 8? When you have one track in 1,000 that is high quality - and that's what you'll end up with if anyone at all out there can put their tracks up - how long will it take until I find a decent track? Someone has to point me to those decent tracks. I don't have the time to listen to 999 bad tracks before I find a good one. |
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NIKTHEQUICK
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Posted : Jun 13, 2008 16:22
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i think the best quality control method is to market the site the best way we can; so that artists, labels and listeners can be the organ of control.....
why not ask the labels (which can still get a % out of the direct sales of the artists) to safeguard their musicians.....the two (site controls and labels) could work together for a while to assist in the transformation process.....both taking advantage of the incredible opportunities generated (i.e. reach a bigger audience, more marketing, etc)
great idea but obviously it needs some tuning....
bholenath!
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talamasca
Talamasca
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Posted : Jun 14, 2008 04:06
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well....the site is stll in its beta version because as i said, i didn t begin to promote it, because i am waiting it to be more "full"...
So ANY IDEA IS WELCOME....but keep in mind that for ethical reasons, it is impossible to "delete" a track or an account just because some people think it is "shit" music.
Again, the site is designed to sell mp3, but the main goal is to offer the artists a way to sel themselves their own music somewhere else than on our site ! they can use our system to sell their tracks on their myspace page...this is the real force of the system itself...
eside this, if you "play" any of the tracks of trancepool, you will see a "player"...on this player, there is at the top of it a "Lauch Radio, type Keyword" where you can put th ename of an artist or label and if he got some tracks in our site, they will all appear and belayed in the player...W pay the "SACEM" company in France (the equal of ACCUM in israel, Atrash in japan..etc..the company who takes care of mechanical rights for artists in every country...) and that is why our system can also become a "Radio on demand" ...So the goal is not only to find new music, and to listen 999 tracks before to find THE one...but it is to be abble to listen (and buy...)the tracks you love...
I am trying now to reach the "old school" artists to put their old HITS...i recently opened a "oldies/goldies" category (quite empty for now..but it takes time...) where i will try o have a "trance history" database...fromthe "goa" times...
Anyway....again, any idea is welcome...  |
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A.p.e
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Posted : Jun 14, 2008 07:29
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A.p.e
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Posted : Jun 14, 2008 18:44
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fractal sound
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Posted : Jun 14, 2008 20:41
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talamasca
Talamasca
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Posted : Jun 14, 2008 21:46
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well...i didn t know that the "wav file"was sooooo requested...because if it is "only" for dj's...but i will chck how much it would cost if i doublethe capacityof the site...which is now almost empty anyway..but i will speak with my webmaster about it...it will depends on the costs....because as said upper, first we don't want to compete with beatport, because they are big and we are little, but they give 40% and we give 70%, and we pay the sacem to be abble to play the tracks in full lenghts and to be a "radio on demand"...which they don't.
So well, i will see what i can do for the wav files, and i think that in the beginning i will allow wav files only for new tracks, or exclusive ones... i'll let you know soon. |
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talamasca
Talamasca
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Posted : Jun 14, 2008 21:51
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On 2008-06-14 20:41, fractal sound wrote:
the idea of a.p.e its cool , well its not a competition but beatport offers u a wav 24bit file for 1 dollar , and here a 320 kbps mp3 for 1 euro ...
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Well, th artists decide themselves on the prices...so you will have all kind of prices.
For eemple, i've put tracks frommy first albums at 20 cts of euros...3D Vision is uploading their catalog, and put the "oldies" at 25 cts...I am trying also to find a way to do "packages", but the code of this site is quite complicated and we are doing step by step...and my webmaster is israeli, so he likes to "take his time"...ahaha...shanti shanti... |
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talamasca
Talamasca
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Posted : Jun 14, 2008 22:02
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On 2008-06-12 14:22, dj jaimz wrote:
The problem is - how are we going to find these true artists when they are sitting alongside so many other people who are not so talented? Who is going to find them and present them to us?
Solve that problem and you will succeed.
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I don't understand your point of view .. how are you doing NOW to find good names ? new ones ? you go to the myspace pages of artists and check for their friends ??? Or you go to the label websites, the ones that you know that you like already, to chek if they have new "names" ???There is not any "specialised" website about trance, to listen music, except some internet radios such as psychedelik.com or some forums like here...I am offering you a "place" where everybody who do this style can be..in ONE place...soit is supposeto be UCH easier for you to find music you like !...
And i have some more ideas...I am working now on a way to have te rights to diffuse mixes from Dj's. The guy with who i am making this website got also the www.mixupload.com website, and we are thinking on a way to incorporate a "tranceupload" concept IN the trancepool website.
So you see , the goal is really to find a way for the peopl to have easy acess to the music they like...your goal is to seek for new music, new names, maybe for your label, butmy goal is to please the people who just want to listen trance...most of them, unfortunatly, don't care and don 't know anything about the names...they will type "full on" or "melodic" in our "player", ad they will have hours of music to listen...their favorite tracks,they will buy...hopefully...but at least...they can listen...
And forget about the money for a while...if your tracks is listened thousands times by thousands of people, even if they don t necessary pay for it, it will make your name big, or it can...and this is promotion, and promotion gets to bookings....and this is the final goal of every artist now... |
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talamasca
Talamasca
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Posted : Jun 14, 2008 22:56
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sorry to write so long....but as you seei am very motivated |
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Raoul V
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Posted : Jun 15, 2008 23:53
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awesome idea...
nice that you can put a promo track up there too.
i think if its good music it will work, maybe with time you could develop a chart or featured artists or whatever.. just an idea.. |
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talamasca
Talamasca
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Posted : Jun 17, 2008 01:25
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On 2008-06-09 14:24, Get-a-fix wrote:
I seem to be having problems streaming the tracks, they all play at double speed.I checked with both firefox & internet explorer, does anyone else have this problem?
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Ok, we found the problem...all the tracks added after the 23rd of may have been converted for their "listening" version to 128kps at 32000KHz, which is a problemfor someaudio cards..like mine and yours...but now that wejust found this, we will solve it..sorry for this...
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