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Diaks
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Posted : Jun 10, 2008 23:36
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Hello Cedric once again very nice idea with the site, hope it gets big by time, one little idea or wish i have for the site is if you could add a Goa trance section as well i only see psy trance, melodic, progressive etc represented and i mean there are lots of people today making Goa trance  its not like all people stopped making goa 
Cheers
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talamasca
Talamasca
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Posted : Jun 11, 2008 11:54
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well, there was a GOA section before...butmany people complained because they arenotmaking GOA anymore, they said that"GOA" is a past music...etc....so i called the "goldies" the tracks of the "old category".
I don t think that TODAY people are doing "GOA TRANCE"..I haven't ear any oriental melody recently....the music nowadays is much more "full-on" than "goa"...but beside this, yes, ican put a "goa" category, but where ? in the "psytrance" section, or in the "goldies" one ?
Before, the site was called PSYPOOL.com, but some progressive artists told me that they are not doing "PSY"...so i changed the name for TRANCEPOOL.net .... If i put "GOA", i will be the same...goa is a VERY SPECIFIC kind...and despoite that factthat i am ok to add it IN a category, i am not ok to add it AS a category itself.
but you know, nobody is abbleto give areal definition if the music...i mean, what is exactly "GOA TRANCE" ? whatis exactly "PSYCHEDELIC TRANCE" ???? for "me", PSYCHEDELIC means "shpongle" muuuuuuuuch more than "chemical crew style"...but I've realised that "psychedelic" means in many countries and fro many people "noisy and agressive" with distorted sounds...
here is the definition of "psychedelic rock" : ( from www.britannica.com )
style of rock music popular in the late 1960s that was largely inspired by hallucinogens, or so-called “mind-expanding” drugs such as marijuana and LSD (lysergic acid diethylamide; “acid”), and that reflected drug-induced states through the use of feedback, electronics, and intense volume.
so what is PSYCHEDELIC TRANCE ?...
and then, is GOA TRANCE a category of the psytrance genre ??
Also, if you seemore categories, just tell me...if you feel like you don'tfind the category or sub category that matches your style, let me know too and i will add this style...for now, i will see with my friends whereto put this "goa" section...i think that GOA TRANCE is an old style, fromthe mid 90's, so i think i will addit in the "goldies section...let me know if you really think that it got hisplace in the "psytrance" secion too...
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Baba System
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Posted : Jun 11, 2008 14:56
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On 2008-06-11 11:54, talamasca wrote:
well, there was a GOA section before...butmany people complained because they arenotmaking GOA anymore, they said that"GOA" is a past music...etc....
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Suntrip Records?
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Diaks
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Jun 11, 2008 17:30
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Goasia? Filteria? Lost Buddha? RA? Can it get any more oriental and goa sounding?
And its all made 2008
There are plenty of more artists, just because its not the biggest style today doesnt mean that its dead and a thing from the past as you suggests Talamasca.
Hmm when i think about it maybe this site isnt the right place for the new goa trance.
It should be kept on a safe distance from all this full on and dark psy!
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Sound Surgeon
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Posted : Jun 11, 2008 18:02
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Ill check it out soon
looks like something great!
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talamasca
Talamasca
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Posted : Jun 11, 2008 22:34
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On 2008-06-11 17:30, Diaks wrote:
Goasia? Filteria? Lost Buddha? RA? Can it get any more oriental and goa sounding?
And its all made 2008
There are plenty of more artists, just because its not the biggest style today doesnt mean that its dead and a thing from the past as you suggests Talamasca.
Hmm when i think about it maybe this site isnt the right place for the new goa trance.
It should be kept on a safe distance from all this full on and dark psy!
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Ok, if you really think that a goa category is missing in the psytrance section, then we will add it...today or tomorrow it will be done.
Concerning the "full on and dark style", come on, we are too little scene to begin a war between us...why is it so shoking to have a dark psy category and not a chill out one ? If one day we begin to really work together instead of telling that the styles we don't like are shit, maybe our kind of music will be bigger and more respected...ANY kindoftrance is welcomeon our site...from down tempo to hard and dark... |
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mouka
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Posted : Jun 11, 2008 23:02
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Good idea, the site needs some tuning and renaming of the files where it states DigitalDeejay but the lay-out is very nice.
Cedric can you tell me what kind of payments Trancepool accepts?
I am trying to find some info on the website but can't find any.
It would also be cool if payments would be done after a lower total of generated sales.
Btw @ Cytopia artist can sell directly their music and the pay every month independent of the generated amount of money from sales.
www.ajana-records.com
www.trishula-records.com |
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sinful reactions
Sinful Reactions
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Posted : Jun 12, 2008 00:43
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Posted : Jun 12, 2008 08:35
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dj jaimz
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Posted : Jun 12, 2008 09:12
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Cedric,
Allowing artists to directly upload their music is a VERY BAD idea. With the ease of access to music production utilities there are more people out there making music than ever before. Without any form of quality control a website that allows it all is NOT a reliable resource for music! We NEED labels, distributors and stores - elements in the chain that have a financial interest in the music they are acting as a conduit for - so that they can act as filters.
You say you want this store to become a world leader, but really, who is going to visit your store when 98% of the music is bedroom-produced by teenagers with pirated software?
I've A&Red a label, I KNOW what a lot of the unreleased music sounds like, and a lot of it SHOULD be unreleased - and that was only the music that people were proud enough to present to me feeling it should be released. When there's zero investment - zero risk on the behalf of the artist, what's to stop them putting crap on the web?
You say there is a problem with too many illegal sites on the web and this is true, but it's always been a problem. The solution is to make sure the few stores we do have are high quality both in appearance and content. Your store? Let's look at your number one at the moment, from the Crystal Matrix comp "Utopia 2". Let's look at that full compilation - the metadata for the album changes from lowercase to uppercase on the track titles and the artist names. The label itself is mispelt - it says "Cristal Matrix". To me, this says one thing - NO QUALITY CONTROL. Look at Beatport, it's slick, it's smooth, everything is correct. No typos, nothing like this. It's easy and it's HIGH QUALITY.
We need the cream to rise to the top and that cream to be the legal sites. Adding more low quality web sites means it spreads everything thin, and then the illegal websites are easier to see.
This is a good idea, but focus on your quality control. Get some A&R people - you will find volunteers on this website, I'm sure - but people who will stop the low quality tracks from getting through, just move through the good ones. Give them a cut of the revenue! But only if a certain % of the tracks they approve sell!
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Mute
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Posted : Jun 12, 2008 10:57
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1st of all this is a nice idea, and i think everyone knows that digital releases are the future for our scene considering only a handfull of labels are really professional when releasing music. I think in time as this website gets bigger and better it will be the main source of downloads rivalling all other illegal mp3 sites selling music . its really annoying to know that there are ppl making heavy money out of your creations when u dont get shit for it..Great Goin Talamasca!!!
Dj Jaimz i think who is goin to visit the website is not your problem , Gms were teenagers once upon a time but they were not any less in quality compared to the other elder artists ... What is crap is for the listener to decide , Also how do u even know that there is zero investment or zero risk from the side of the artist?Have you gone and seen all of their studios and how they live???Whats your problem if we use pirated or original software? Please dont make silly comments regarding artists .Talamasca has been in the scene for many years and he is supporting all artists because he has experience in this
What is qualitative and whats not is a matter of oppinion and everyone has their own...
Talamsaca has set the subject appropriately so if you are not an artist or a label u dont need to read this
If you have something to contribute , do it in practice like how he has, dont come here and make silly arguments..
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talamasca
Talamasca
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Posted : Jun 12, 2008 11:07
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hello dj jaimz,
I really understand your point of view...but you don' t understand mine...
Of course there will be bad quality music too...what to do about it ? I am not here to decide who is good and who is bad..but i agree ! I believe for a looong time that the big problem of electronic music is that ANYBODY can make music....but this is also the good thing...EVEYBODY can make...and you are not a judge who decide who can make and who can not...I remind you that ASTRIX for exemple began to make music when he was 15, after school with just a computer...and he never took any piano lesson before!! but he is talented and electronic music gave him a chance ! As it does to everyone who want to create music...but who am I to decide who will appear on the site and who willnot ?????
And beside this, anyway, the goal of the site is not exactly to become a trance beatport...our system allowed people to generate a player from which they can sell their tracks anywhere on internet...their website or their myspace page, or anywhere else! They will not force you to go to their own websites, but at least, they will be abble to sell their tracks there...if they are good , people will buy, and if not, people won't...it is as simple as this..so why so much complains ??? anyway, the cd market is going down, more and more every day, while the mp3 market is going up...you say that illegal websites have always been...ok...but IF people know that on trancepool, or through the trancepool players they will take DIRECTLY from the artist, then, with the time, they will stop trying other websites....and then, eactly like cds before, the good ones will sell and the bad ones won't...but at least here, you can listen before !!
About the players, once you registered and uploaded your tracks, you can generate a player, and while this player is playing, you can clik the "export player" and you get a code such s this one :
<object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="450" height="300" data="http://www.trancepool.net/players/trancepoolplayer.swf"><param name="movie" value="http://www.trancepool.net/players/trancepoolplayer.swf"/><param name="flashvars" value="&plang=us&af=259&s_id=960,961,962,963,958,959,957,956,955" /><embed src="http://www.trancepool.net/players/trancepoolplayer.swf" width="450" height="300" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="false" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer" flashvars="&plang=us&af=259&s_id=960,961,962,963,958,959,957,956,955"/></embed></object>
and u can paste it... |
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Remy [POF]
Principles Of Flight
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Posted : Jun 12, 2008 11:31
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Just a question, is there anyone checking what is being uploaded or not?
Because if there aren't any control basically anyone could upload whatever music they want, music that they haven't done for instance and change just change the name of the tracks and make money on the back of the artists. Just like it happened to Jaia some time ago.
On 2011-03-08 23:13, moki wrote:
listening only to free music is like having the free possibility to satisfy yourself with thousends of different free sexual acts. |
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talamasca
Talamasca
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Posted : Jun 12, 2008 11:44
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well, i am checking the tracks....now, i am not listening one by one to all of them, but i am really checking...if one day i see a uno reaktor account created, believe me i will really be suspicious about it...ahaha....also, when "uploaders" register, they have to fill an email adress and a telephone number that only the administrators can see..if i have any doubt..i phone....
it didn t happen for now, but i am prepared for it...it is not like if i was believing that everybody was honnest...
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Remy [POF]
Principles Of Flight
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Posted : Jun 12, 2008 12:48
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I see, but i was thinking more like someone makes a fake artist name and upload other peoples tracks.
Like removing the name/credits from the tracks and rename them like they made them..
On 2011-03-08 23:13, moki wrote:
listening only to free music is like having the free possibility to satisfy yourself with thousends of different free sexual acts. |
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