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I've lost it all, inspriation is gone, my head is empty!
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~d2~
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Posted : Feb 11, 2009 21:56
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On 2009-02-11 21:31, Nobita wrote:
Hey, I've been in your position many times. Making music can be the most frustrating thing in the world if you approach it the wrong way.
The first thing to do is abandon all hope you're going to make it with music. You will not be the next rock-star-dj, you will not be the next Hallucinogen or Infected Mushroom. I know this with the same amount of certainty that I have that I will not die in a plane crash or get struck by lightning etc... There's thousands of people trying to make it through music, many of those exceedingly talented, so the odds are very very bad. If it does happen, it will be despite and not thanks to attempts to make music in order to prove something to yourself and others.
The funny thing is, once you drop all your ambitions with music, you will find that you are free to experiment since if you do stick to it, the only reason you're doing it is for the music itself and you only make music when you find yourself inspired to do so.
This thing cannot be forced.
A more practical tip is to invest in a hardsynth or a groovebox. When you don't have to bother with a DAW and going through your mouse/keyboard, you will find it's much easier to get inspired and you'll be able to focus on the sounds your working on. Having a keyboard or a full-fledged musical instrument is a must for extracting the melodies in your head.
But again if you're buying equipment in the hopes that somehow it will help you achieve the "pro" status and musical success, the best is to just give up the whole venture for a while and take a break.
All the best!
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Great advice.
I saw an Aphextwin interview and he said he didn't write music for anyone other than himself.
I would also go as far as to say, give up on writing for a set genre. Don't false it into a box. Massive Attack started out wanting to write rave music!!!They couldn't do it. Thank god!!!!! |
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x-rayz
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Posted : Feb 11, 2009 22:14
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On 2008-11-19 21:47, aciduss wrote:
then if your host allows color your loops in a creative way inspiring to tell the story.
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god i hate when i make a track with someone, and they send me a cubase project with everytinhg in multi color.... looks like a 3 year old kid has been making the track... 
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wheather its cubase or any other DAW, colouring loops has a purpose of better organization, so u can easily see whats happening in the track without having even to look the name of the loop.. Its a technique in itself, its not meant for kids to play with colours..
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segment 7
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Posted : Feb 12, 2009 01:16
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On 2008-11-23 10:19, Psynaesthesian wrote:
firstly - don't stress yourself - it will just make it worse!!
relax - meditate if you like!!
you have to remain calm and collected to think straight!!
like alot of peeps here have said - what u r experiencing is very normal and happens to the best of 'em!!
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+1
I posted a similar thread to this recently (i can never finish tracks) and i find the usual process is that i make the first part of a track and as i lose inspiration i get increasingly frustrated. this just leads to a greater lack of concentration, which leads to loss on inspiration and the cycle continues. i find even half an hour of meditation can get me right back on track. it's all about staying calm and relaxed and staying 'in the zone'. if you live near the countryside go for a longgggg walk, interact with nature, i always find that very inspiring.
like d2 said aswel, forget about making music to make something out of yourself with it. this used to be my attitude, i wanted to be one of the greats, to play all the big festivals etc, and although that is still sort of the driving force behind it all, nowadays i simply make music because it makes me incredibly happy. you said music used to be your inspiration, let it be again, let music be the input and let it be the output so to speak.
lastly like alot of people have said, produce different genres. i make a fair bit of electro, some dub/ hiphop sort of stuff and even some jungle and breakcore. it's nice to have a change and it's a great way to learn new production techniques. i make the electro with a couple of friends sometimes and having other people perspectives can be a great way to learn. we all have different ways of doing things and having someone directly in front of you showing you how to do something is always going to be alot better than reading it on a forum etc.
i hope you have a bit more luck man, and i look forward to hearing some finished product 
Ben
Projection makes perception. The world is what you gave it, nothing more than that. It is a witness to your state of mind, the outside picture of an inward condition. As a man thinketh, so does he perceive- Anonymous
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Posted : Feb 13, 2009 02:06
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blah blah just give it up mate. its the only thing.
i have given up years ago and have felt great. you know, if you have really nothing else to offer you can listen to all the positive talk all you like but the bottom line is no-one likes the sound of the scraping barrel.
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~d2~
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Posted : Feb 13, 2009 02:46
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On 2009-02-13 02:06, bagrat wrote:
blah blah just give it up mate. its the only thing.
i have given up years ago and have felt great. you know, if you have really nothing else to offer you can listen to all the positive talk all you like but the bottom line is no-one likes the sound of the scraping barrel.
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What brings you to this part of the forum then? |
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Becktrank
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Never give up and one day maybe you get there. Or maybe not. |
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Posted : Feb 13, 2009 07:56
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i say put making music on hold. listen to lots of jazz, classical, world music, various types of fusions, etc. and do some crazy shit. whether it be travel adventures, use of heavy psychedelics, participating in orgies, summoning spirits, or whatever, just make sure you put a lot of living into your time off. then by the time you're tired and ready to settle back down, the music will flow like water
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br0d
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 05:13
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On 2008-11-19 21:18, Colin OOOD wrote:
I haven't been independently creative for much much longer than I'm willing to state on a public forum...
...it'll come. It's in the bones.
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I had 6 years pass between my last album and the current one. Since releasing that one, I've done like one track. Shrug. I love doing music, but I'm a person first and foremost, and as you said, there are far too many people releasing too much music for no reason--no point in being one of them.
Too many people get addicted to the pretense and the "dream" of being the "professional" artist who is on a "release cycle" which allows him or her to keep up with the Joneses. Music was folk art far earlier than it was ever a professional product that contributed to the excessive, opulent, embarrassing and messianic lifestyles of a select few pros...and at the end of the day, with the death of the RIAA model that is what it will get back to...folk artists creating folk music for other folks for free...and doing it when it is appropriate for their own soul and not on a "schedule."
.::New Boole CD The Vital Few out now::.
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~d2~
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 05:22
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I too would like to think the RIAA model is dead. But it hasn't died yet.
The figures are publicly available. Digital downloads still only count for a small percentage of revenue. |
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br0d
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 05:31
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On 2009-02-11 21:31, Nobita wrote:
The first thing to do is abandon all hope you're going to make it with music. You will not be the next rock-star-dj, you will not be the next Hallucinogen or Infected Mushroom. I know this with the same amount of certainty that I have that I will not die in a plane crash or get struck by lightning etc... There's thousands of people trying to make it through music, many of those exceedingly talented, so the odds are very very bad.
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There are of course exceptions, but behind the veneer of almost every professional artist there lies a secret ingredient...elbow grease.
It is patently bad to try and assess your own "chances" at success by using odds and by comparing yourself to others. Music is not a zero sum game! Sure, the number of players does affect you a bit, but it is not the ultimate thing, and has never been.
This is a big, big, big, big, big, did I say big, world. If you sell CDs for $10, you play 50 shows a year for $250, and you can live on $20,000 a year after taxes, you need only sell 1,350 CDs a year. That is roughly the size of a single first pressing of the average unsigned band's CD. I sold more than that of my 2002 release between 2002 and 2005 without even touring. What sort of effect would 50 shows (or more) a year have on those potential sales?
Point is, you can't expect someone to pick you up by your bootstraps if you want to be a musician for a living. You have to get out there and do it. There are a few bands here and there who get mass exposure through elbow rubbing and never have to pay their dues, but those people usually end up unable to cope with their exposure and demand anyway.
Music is a craft, a trade, and if you are even half decent and you beat the concrete, and constantly strive to get better at it, you can make a job out of it. I know people who do this. I personally prefer not to. I am well paid to sit on my ass in an office. But it's not about "the odds." Fuck odds, there are no odds.
The problem with most people who "dream" about being musicians is that they really are "dreaming" about being special and not having to work as hard as anyone else, or as hard as they otherwise have to while holding down their boring 8 hour day jobs. Well put 8 hours a day for 300 days a year into music, make sure that includes touring, marketing, promo, and networking, and you'll be far more successful than you ever imagined.
But you know, most "dreams" are escapism and are as fleeting as the ones people have at night...which can be disrupted by a knock at the door...
"Wake up son, time to go to work."
.::New Boole CD The Vital Few out now::.
http://www.boole.org/audio/index.php#tvf
http://www.boole.org/audio/snippets/Boole-The_Vital_Few-Some_Snippets.mp3 |
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br0d
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 05:36
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Hi all Psyheads! Im browsing the forum all night looking for inspiration or something and found this discussion here. Sry for digging up an old topic but it for sure isn't outdated as probably lots of people tend to have same problem... i myself havent finished a track in past 6 years lol! i remember year 2003 when i had about 8 tracks finished already but they were very poor quality and i said then to myself that i wont finish any more crap, that i will finish a tune only if im gonna be fully satisfied with it... and that was the worst thing i could think of ^^ Since then last 6 years i never dumped my interest in music production but i got trapped in the same problem of 8/16/32 bar loops that never evolve into a proper track.
I wanted to train up myself in making the elements of a track so much, that 6 years have passed and guess what... i got the loops, got the melodies, got the sounds but just never taught myself how to put all that crap together LOL! every time i got excited with some new project, i started thinking that "yeah, that's the one! i like it at last so i can finish it!" but very quickly me demands grew higher and before getting to finish it i already got sick of it and started next one which at beginning appeared even better... and the story loops endlessly lol. Now its year 2009 and still none finished but i never lost the hope and today after reading what few people wrote in here i really feel somehow empowered and maybe ill finally quit fukin around and get on with it
many ppl here say a lot of wise words on all music production problems, some less but all in all i want to say THANK YOU ISRATRANCE cause as a whole community you are priceless!
Many things i've learned from You and hopefully i will also learn how to make myself to start finishing tracks too  it's about time, 6 years was a long wait
So cheer up all You people who seem to have similar problem, WE CAN DO IT AND WE WILL!!!
p.s. excuse me my poor construction of sentences but i'm sooo tired, haven't slept in like 2 days lol. I'm going now though but had to post a reply first cause this topic opened my eyes a bit on the problem and gave me strength to try to finish what i couldn't do such a long time...
best wishes to all of You Isratrancers! |
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Seppa
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On 2009-05-04 10:31, Exelgen wrote:
Hi all Psyheads! Im browsing the forum all night looking for inspiration or something and found this discussion here. Sry for digging up an old topic but it for sure isn't outdated as probably lots of people tend to have same problem... i myself havent finished a track in past 6 years lol! i remember year 2003 when i had about 8 tracks finished already but they were very poor quality and i said then to myself that i wont finish any more crap, that i will finish a tune only if im gonna be fully satisfied with it... and that was the worst thing i could think of ^^ Since then last 6 years i never dumped my interest in music production but i got trapped in the same problem of 8/16/32 bar loops that never evolve into a proper track.
I wanted to train up myself in making the elements of a track so much, that 6 years have passed and guess what... i got the loops, got the melodies, got the sounds but just never taught myself how to put all that crap together LOL! every time i got excited with some new project, i started thinking that "yeah, that's the one! i like it at last so i can finish it!" but very quickly me demands grew higher and before getting to finish it i already got sick of it and started next one which at beginning appeared even better... and the story loops endlessly lol. Now its year 2009 and still none finished but i never lost the hope and today after reading what few people wrote in here i really feel somehow empowered and maybe ill finally quit fukin around and get on with it
many ppl here say a lot of wise words on all music production problems, some less but all in all i want to say THANK YOU ISRATRANCE cause as a whole community you are priceless!
Many things i've learned from You and hopefully i will also learn how to make myself to start finishing tracks too it's about time, 6 years was a long wait
So cheer up all You people who seem to have similar problem, WE CAN DO IT AND WE WILL!!!
p.s. excuse me my poor construction of sentences but i'm sooo tired, haven't slept in like 2 days lol. I'm going now though but had to post a reply first cause this topic opened my eyes a bit on the problem and gave me strength to try to finish what i couldn't do such a long time...
best wishes to all of You Isratrancers!
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I'm just amazed at what you wrote... I could have written it myself and I would have wrote probably the exact same thing...
In a way its bit sad to be stuck in the same situation.. experienced but stuck...
So here I make an announcement... I'm thinking collaboration could be the right incentive.
So here its Anyone outhere available for collab wiht experience but feel could be doing more by joining a loop master here I am.
preferably a dj...
I live in london so living in london or the surrounding would be better ( i have little hope distanced collab...
take care...
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Posted : May 4, 2009 12:10
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On 2009-05-04 11:24, Seppa wrote:
I'm just amazed at what you wrote... I could have written it myself and I would have wrote probably the exact same thing...
In a way its bit sad to be stuck in the same situation.. experienced but stuck...
So here I make an announcement... I'm thinking collaboration could be the right incentive.
So here its Anyone outhere available for collab wiht experience but feel could be doing more by joining a loop master here I am.
preferably a dj...
I live in london so living in london or the surrounding would be better ( i have little hope distanced collab...
take care...
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damn i was supposed to go to sleep but can't lol. So it appears many people suffer from the same problem, self imprisoned in looped parts of projects  Good luck on getting out of this... Man i feel like it's getting out of some addiction, been used to it for so long that i don't know how to deal with it lol. As for the collaboration, i think that just might be the perfect solution though i myself don't believe so much that it could work out on distance... at least i don't believe in myself lol... so i won't offer myself as an helpful hand cause i'm afraid i could fail and u could loose hope in humanity  ... but the idea is great. Too bad i know NO ONE in real life who shares same interests as me :/ My house mate got a bit hooked up because he seen me playing around with music and he downloaded FL, but he's got 1 day of experience so far well maybe i'll help him and teach him a bit, it might just help me as well... i like when friends start trying to write music when they see me doing it too bad none of them so far lasted long enough, dammit! He might be the one
btw. greetings from Birmingham m8, that's not that far, maybe u wanna come by? lol j/k
p.s. B-ham sux, no psy here at all ;....( |
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Seppa
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Posted : May 4, 2009 12:46
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check your pms |
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