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Acidhive
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Posted : Nov 24, 2005 12:45
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On 2005-11-24 12:44, Kire-naj wrote:
 You make me  Acidhive.
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Option 2 applies to you then, and I can't say I'm surprised. The joke's on you Kire-Naj. 
  "Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."
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Krell
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Posted : Nov 24, 2005 12:48
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On 2005-11-24 12:07, Demezriel wrote:
Just a quick message to all the people who are not experienced. There are alot of 'sober' goa partiers nowadays, and the politically correct approach is to say "that's a good thing, the music is what counts !" , everyone has seen people say or post "I only need the music to make me high" ... Heeeelloooo people??? Fellow psy-heads wake up ! It IS a big deal, it's even more important than the music, psy-trance is in essence is a glorification of the psychedelic experience, a tribute from our world to all those incredible dimensions of our minds and of reality. You're missing out on something HUGE... as Bill Hicks was fond of saying : "Take mushrooms folks, squeegee your third f*cking eye!"
PS: Thinking about a recent mind-blowing experience compelled me to write this, and of course I advise caution with their usage but if your not mentally unstable then please do try and experience it, at least once.
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There are other and better ways of expanding your mind and achieving powerfull mental experiences than doing drugs.
If you need to do drugs to achieve these experiences, it is you who is missing out on something in your life.
I believe you are making a big mistake in asuming that because you THINK drug induced altered states of consciousness benefit yourself, it will benefit others.
Psychedelic Trance / Goa Trance - Its about trance first, and psychedelic next - The trance is the goal, and the psychedelia is just the flavour - Drugs can both underline and undermine that experience - This I know for a fact, which holds true for a great deal of people.
Actually, I have had experiences while in trance which were far more psychedelic and meaningfull than what I have experienced while on LSD, Mushrooms or any other sort of drug.
Of course, you want to share your experiences - Get more people to follow your example... but you really should not encourage people to do drugs - In matters like these, people must make up their own minds, and fully take responsibility for their actions, since they themselves have undertaken them without external encouragement.
Best Wishes
Krell
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The Green Channel
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Posted : Nov 24, 2005 12:49
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On 2005-11-24 12:42, Acidhive wrote:
1. If you ARE open minded and kind you can apologize to me now.
2. You don't apologize, and let everyone see what you truly are.
Thanks in advance!!
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You should apologize for calling Demezriel "clueless".
Ahh, I forgot, you're NOT open-minded.
"Love is a way of life"
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Acidhive
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Posted : Nov 24, 2005 12:50
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On 2005-11-24 12:48, Krell wrote:
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On 2005-11-24 12:07, Demezriel wrote:
Just a quick message to all the people who are not experienced. There are alot of 'sober' goa partiers nowadays, and the politically correct approach is to say "that's a good thing, the music is what counts !" , everyone has seen people say or post "I only need the music to make me high" ... Heeeelloooo people??? Fellow psy-heads wake up ! It IS a big deal, it's even more important than the music, psy-trance is in essence is a glorification of the psychedelic experience, a tribute from our world to all those incredible dimensions of our minds and of reality. You're missing out on something HUGE... as Bill Hicks was fond of saying : "Take mushrooms folks, squeegee your third f*cking eye!"
PS: Thinking about a recent mind-blowing experience compelled me to write this, and of course I advise caution with their usage but if your not mentally unstable then please do try and experience it, at least once.
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There are other and better ways of expanding your mind and achieving powerfull mental experiences than doing drugs.
If you need to do drugs to achieve these experiences, it is you who is missing out on something in your life.
I believe you are making a big mistake in asuming that because you THINK drug induced altered states of consciousness benefit yourself, it will benefit others.
Psychedelic Trance / Goa Trance - Its about trance first, and psychedelic next - The trance is the goal, and the psychedelia is just the flavour - Drugs can both underline and undermine that experience - This I know for a fact, which holds true for a great deal of people.
Actually, I have had experiences while in trance which were far more psychedelic and meaningfull than what I have experienced while on LSD, Mushrooms or any other sort of drug.
Of course, you want to share your experiences - Get more people to follow your example... but you really should not encourage people to do drugs - In matters like these, people must make up their own minds, and fully take responsibility for their actions, since they themselves have undertaken them without external encouragement.
Best Wishes
Krell
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Spoken well Krell. I'm with you on this one.
"Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."
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Acidhive
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Posted : Nov 24, 2005 12:51
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On 2005-11-24 12:49, The Green Channel wrote:
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On 2005-11-24 12:42, Acidhive wrote:
1. If you ARE open minded and kind you can apologize to me now.
2. You don't apologize, and let everyone see what you truly are.
Thanks in advance!!
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You should apologize for calling Demezriel "clueless".
Ahh, I forgot, you're NOT open-minded.
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HAHAHAHA!!! Reading is hard isn't it? The clueless I mentioned was not really meant as an insult. If you'd read my post thoroughly you would've known.
But hey, if it makes you feel better... Sorry for making him think I called him clueless as an insult. It wasn't really meant that way. "Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."
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DJJISS
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Posted : Nov 24, 2005 13:00
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So author r u compelling us to take psychadelic substances |
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The Green Channel
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Posted : Nov 24, 2005 13:14
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On 2005-11-24 12:48, Krell wrote:
There are other and better ways of expanding your mind and achieving powerfull mental experiences than doing drugs.
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Actually, that's not entirely true, I have several friends who have visited India, Nepal and Tibet seeking spiritual enlightenment (BTW, most of them are not into psy). Their experiences were impressive, yet, not nearly as complex as a dmt exp. Only very few enlightened persons have had exp. of that magnitude.
Your answer was, however, politically correct, my friend 
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On 2005-11-24 12:48, Krell wrote:
If you need to do drugs to achieve these experiences, it is you who is missing out on something in your life.
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That's your opinion krell . Many shamans have practised their beliefs for thousands of years, long before civilization or religion even exsisted and still do so presently. What you stated is cultural shovenism.
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On 2005-11-24 12:48, Krell wrote:
I believe you are making a big mistake in asuming that because you THINK drug induced altered states of consciousness benefit yourself, it will benefit others.
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You are partially correct (IMO), since, there are many ways of achieving "progress" and psychedelics aren't the only path one can go through, yet, they are a VALID path (natural psychedelics), which has been practiced long before all other spiritual practices.
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On 2005-11-24 12:48, Krell wrote:
Psychedelic Trance / Goa Trance - Its about trance first, and psychedelic next - The trance is the goal, and the psychedelia is just the flavour
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That's a debatable statement. This scene was intially a NAMELESS scene, where the whole spirital side of the psychedelic exp, was in-center.
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On 2005-11-24 12:48, Krell wrote:
Actually, I have had experiences while in trance which were far more psychedelic and meaningfull than what I have experienced while on LSD, Mushrooms or any other sort of drug.
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That's great, , í've had wonderful exp. both ways, nevertheless, nothing as intense as smoking DMT.
"Love is a way of life"
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The Green Channel
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Posted : Nov 24, 2005 13:17
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On 2005-11-24 12:51, Acidhive wrote:
But hey, if it makes you feel better... Sorry for making him think I called him clueless as an insult. It wasn't really meant that way.
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Good , I feel better.
"Love is a way of life"
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traveller
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Posted : Nov 24, 2005 13:21
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Yeah yeah we all need shitloads of drugs just to be able to listen to this music.. that's how bad it's.
"The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
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shamanizer
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Posted : Nov 24, 2005 13:44
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This way or that way, always the wrong way, or right, depends from who you are asking.
Its politically correct to deny the fact that usage of certain substitutes can be beneficial or at least fun and yes, it does happen in the scene, maybe more than any other. Anyone who has been to a psy party knows whats going on there, why to be hypocritical. Anyhow, in my opinion you don't need to take any drugs to listen to any kind of music.
I agree with Krell, but on the other hand, why should I believe what governments are telling us about these things and especially why they are telling these things to us, would it make people to open their eyes and see how companies are ruling, exploiting and destroying the world (ie. to think). I don't know, and I don't want to start sounding like a conspiracy theory, but at least we all can agree on the latter, even companies do, they just refuse to make things better because in the end its money that really matters.
Just a thought although slightly off topic and not really related to trance music either, sorry for that, I just want to make people to think, that would be already a good start. |
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Krell
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Posted : Nov 24, 2005 13:54
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@The Green Channel
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"Actually, that's not entirely true, I have several friends who have visited India, Nepal and Tibet seeking spiritual enlightenment (BTW, most of them are not into psy). Their experiences were impressive, yet, not nearly as complex as a dmt exp. Only very few enlightened persons have had exp. of that magnitude.
Your answer was, however, politically correct, my friend"
One thing I believe is very well worth noting here is that I dont really feel you have any proof of these dmt experiences evolving your soul / mind or whatever. What you expect is that others trust you when you say "I have evolved & achieved something spectacular"... But really, what did you learn ? Perhaps you would have learned more by doing something else - You dont know, because you havent tried all the alternatives.
There are other paths to take, other than the obvious ones - Drugs are shortcuts for some, blind alleys for others - and some times, they are in many respects u-turns mentally.
I dont have all the facts either, but it seems very clear to me that at least as many people are set back in their lives/development by doing psychedelic drugs as there are people who truely benefit from them. It depends... and you should not encourage anyone to take them, NEVER - Nor any other drug for that matter. After all, this is the background for this thread.
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"That's your opinion krell . Many shamans have practised their beliefs for thousands of years, long before civilization or religion even exsisted and still do so presently. What you stated is cultural shovenism."
Well, if there is shamanism, then there is civilization isnt there ? Drugs are not a must in shamanism either, far from it really. So, there is shamanism without drugs...... Like I said "If you need to do drugs to achieve these experiences, it is you who is missing out on something in your life." - Drugs are not a must at all, and if you think so, your out of touch with reality.
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"You are partially correct (IMO), since, there are many ways of achieving "progress" and psychedelics aren't the only path one can go through, yet, they are a VALID path (natural psychedelics), which has been practiced long before all other spiritual practices.
They are a tool - Nothing more - A tool to be used, or misused - and a tool which might malfunction, even when used correctly... Simply because the tool itself, in conjunction with the human mind becomes unpredictable.
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"That's a debatable statement. This scene was intially a NAMELESS scene, where the whole spirital side of the psychedelic exp, was in-center."
Im talking about the musical experience and not the scene. Of course, the music is what you make it, but the emphasis in trance inducing music is trance - If the empasis was for psychedelia, that could be achieved more effectively with non repetitive music I think - After all, repetition gives birth to structure, whilst chaos and unpredictability seems to conform more to the essentially psychedelic/unreal experience.
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"That's great, , í've had wonderful exp. both ways, nevertheless, nothing as intense as smoking DMT."
The most intense experience I have had in my life is experiencing how people die, life leaving their bodies, them becoming week only to disappear into -- who knows where ? - Love, this has also been VERY intense for me, and life altering.
In regards to music, the most intense experience has been dreaming about music, in a semi lucid / intuitive state, for what seemed like an hour or more... It was truely divine, no feeling my body, mind being pure energy, music creating itself according to what I wanted, visual stimulation 100% whatever I wanted - its was a "complete" experience.
The core of the matter is - It is WRONG to encourage people to do drugs - Its not about political correctness, its about right & wrong... Negative & positive.
Best Wishes
Krell
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Oran
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Posted : Nov 24, 2005 14:10
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big thank's to the "drugs promotion team".
now...before im locking this thread i whould like to quote two posts by Surrender and Ov3rdos3 from another thread:
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Surrender wrote:
the answer is not so complicated as it seems, so i will explain:
this forum and website was created by shahar and shivas in the late 90's. they had a vision of an online community to unite people who shared common ideas with them and wanted to have a space to talk about them. the main idea of the forum was and is trance music discussion, the main idea of the site was and is israeli trance music discussion in specific. the vision shahar had and realized was a place where drugs are not the main discussion, because he believes that they are unrelated to the discussion about music and usually bring along unwanted attention from various sources. so in the end they are counter productive to the cause of the place and to its mission statement... same thing goes for politics, religion and aggressive behaviors. they are counterproductive in the views of the creators of this place and do nothing for the advancement of the community. we think that there are plently of other places where you can get better information about drugs or politics, religion or anything that we dont think fits here. we simply dont want to advocate it here and by letting it be, we are condoning it and going against our own mission statement. when registering, everyone is ought to really read the guidlines and not just click "i agree". i think thats basic common sense for anywhere you go. we say those same things i just said pretty much there... there is a certain vision here, we dont wish to see bashing of any sort, we dont wish to have disrespect carried towards anyone, artists or anyone else, we dont wish to have our guidelines totally disregarded in short... its difficult sometimes and we are blamed for being "fascists" by the very same people who agreed to the guidelines, yet piss all over them and in turn on us. this is my answer anyway -
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Ov3rdos3 wrote:
Surrender: Ok, i guess that makes sense then. If it was the view of the creator to base this forums discussion soley on Trance Music and nothing else, i can respect that. I also agree that there are other sites that you can get information on, on other things, like drugs, and psychedelia.
I also agree that allowing that, would probably bring in a lot of people, who probably dont know anything about psytrance at all.
ok then. i have to admit i see your point. I wont push the matter any further then. Psytrance music is the heart of this forum, and in reality, if you want to talk shit about other things, there are other places to do it.
peace
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i hope you got my point....we dont ask you to agree with it,we just ask you to respect it.
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