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jon
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Posted : Mar 22, 2004 18:27
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I wait for the VSTi....
why is it so necessary to have this particular synth in hardware? Especially given that it contains an intel CPU rather than fancy DSP chip .... I think they are mainly using the hardware as a copy-protection dongle 
well I am just bitter : of course Id buy it if i had the cash hehe... |
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Woggle
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Posted : Mar 22, 2004 21:31
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I don't think they'll ever release this code for software, i bet it toook em al lot of hours to write.
but here are the qualms i have with it:
1) read the site, there is nothing technical on it, everything uses gimick words, and after you start to understand what these words mean it's a VERY simple synthesizer
2) other synthesizers much cheaper can get the same output, imho. I haven't herad a sound out of it which sounds that radical.
3) it's all digital, and all digital always loses value, for something of that price, you dont' want something losing value so rapidly.
4) the guy on the-gas-station.com who had a neuron when he first got it it was broke, there were some reliability issues, he had to wait for a new one to come.
5) what i call the "Elektron Issue" is it all marketing and drool factor, is there any substance? a pretty site, but is there more?
6) there's aliasing, resynthesis is not supposed to alias
7) check out the SOS article, it's got LESS than glowing reviews, it's main tribulations are that it uses a lot of esoteric words to describe it's synthesis, and never truely discusses what it's about in real words.
#8!), the kyma capybara can do everything the neuron does, AND more, it's just not as fun to use! |
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Mar 22, 2004 23:33
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6) there's aliasing, resynthesis is not supposed to alias
i think this could be due to the fact that a neural network has to make decisions of importance of processing information it gets from a sound.,
so i also assume this will get better with more processing power .,
it's a very interesting concept., i see this synth more like a prototype, a thing that will work great in the future.,
but now the results are suboptimal and that's why i think they need all the marketing crap to make some money off of it.,
#8!), the kyma capybara can do everything the neuron does, AND more, it's just not as fun to use
i want on too
but i think they do a totaly different type of resynthesis., or am i wrong here?.,
grts,
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jon
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Posted : Mar 23, 2004 01:00
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isnt the kyma a bit like Reaktor times 10000 crossed with a programming language? I think you can do _everything_ in kyma plus things not even dreamt of..... it's used by academics in research..... hmm it costs 4000 USD....
yeah I am not surprised they arent revealing quite how their synthesis technique works. As soon as they do then someone _will_ write a VSTi. Maybe more than one company even. Like additive synthesis - suddenly there are loads of additive VSTs...... (but I dont like any really).
Hmm I think in serious music production it is quite important to know exactly what is going on... rather than just twiddling some knobs and saying 'wow that sounds weird dude'..... so I think this is a fundamental problem for the Neuron synth.
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Woggle
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Posted : Mar 23, 2004 02:18
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"u don't really need to know so much to make an electronic music or other styles of music , if u will keeep talk about such things better for you to go and research new forms of synthesis or synthesizer itself .
make music enjoy music as an art nor study "
this is research + i think that idealogy is the reason why so much trance sucks nowadays, you need to be a master of psy!, the master of psy posford is also a master of his gear, in synthesis, understanding it, and a lot, that's why his shit's so good.
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Amygdala
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Posted : Mar 23, 2004 19:38
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I see the Neuron as a prototype of a new concept as well. I don't see why someone has to hassle the CPU - a duely overclocked pentium is probably packing more computational power than some bundle of DSP chips inside a, say, Virus. What they compute is just different, and DSP's are better for the Virus-type-o'-stuff.
Of course in the future, algorithms with better time-complexity emerge, finer methods of rounding and treating floating point numbers, and generally better architectural design will creep into the Neuron - if the concept holds... Let's hope it does
As for hardware/VSTi, one of the selling points of the Neuron is the interface - which can't be reconstructed in a VSTi (they don't make a rack-version either...). This can of course be BS, and an excuse for not programming a soft-version, that can be pirated easily. Whatever, I still like hardware better!
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