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I HAVE an IDEA (PART II)
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bholenath
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Posted : May 19, 2004 08:24
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Didnt/doesnt the IsraTrance mainpage have some top tens posted by Artists/Djs/Labels...why dont you just post theses there..so u can shut the top 10 section neways...its rarely entertaining nemore...
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Silent Scream
Silent Scream
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Posted : May 20, 2004 01:05
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i think only artists and labels shoul get permission to post unreleased music...the rest will have to post released music....than we will get quality..
even if the artists will promote themselfs
i still like being updated with the last track names of the artists i like
to hear about new remixes and stuff.
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DETOX
IsraTrance Senior Member
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Posted : May 20, 2004 13:04
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Whats wrong with promoting?
I have a new label and for the last 2-3 months i include in my top ten 2-3 unreleased tracks from my upcoming releases.
This is music i got directly from the artists,music that i like (otherwise why would i sign it to my label?) and that i want to put in my top ten each month.At the same time i show my music taste,inform the people for upcoming releases and promote my label.
What the hell is wrong with that?
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Candy
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Posted : May 20, 2004 15:18
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On 2004-05-20 14:51, Das Fung wrote:
BTW there is a CD review section where you can post your upcoming disk !
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No
The cd review section is for reviewing c.ds (not by the people involved with the release).
For promoting a c.d there's the promotional section.
Majority is never right!
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DETOX
IsraTrance Senior Member
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Posted : May 20, 2004 19:20
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Das Fung you think that music shouldnt be connected with commercialism while on the other side i believe the opposite.So its just a difference of opinion.
You say that you want to enter the top ten and see what people really like.Well who told you that people post things that they dont like?And who told you that its not possible for an artist to like his own tracks or for a label manager to like his labels releases?So you are wrong on this one.
Commercialism is not just a negative term you know.
I said i am a label manager but i didnt said i am better than anyone else in here.Please dont put words in my mouth that i have never said.
And finnally claiming that someone who posts his or his label music in his top ten does not show his personal taste but just promotes himself IS SOMETHING TOTTALLY INNACURATE!
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DETOX
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Posted : May 21, 2004 00:39
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Das Fung the question here is not if promotion will make one label's sales boost or not but whether promotion is ethical or not.And i think that promotion is indeed ethical in the isratrance forum at least most of the times.Thats why there is a Promotional section anyway.So to finish the story with the Top Ten section,yes promotion through the top ten section is ok and i dont think that it hurts anyone.After all its normal for artists and labels managers to like the music that they produce/release and thats why the put it every month in their top tens,if they didnt like it why would they produce/release it anyway?
Now about Digital Structures that you mentioned,you probably never noticed the massive promotion made by the label and the Son Kite guys before their new album release.I will just remind you the free copies offered to the users of isratrance to whoever wanted to distribute flyers and promotional material of the Colours album by Son Kite to his area and the request from Son Kite in the Trance section for people to check the samples of a new track by them on their website and suggest a name for it,whoever found the best name would win copies of the new album.Isnt that promotion?Ofcourse it is,and not only it is promotion but clever and pleasant promotion good both for the artist and label but also for the people who also 'participate' in this promotion.
Ofcourse i dont like every track that GMS,Talamasca and Rinkadink produce but for sure i like the ones that i sign from them otherwise i wouldnt sign them.So i dont think that it is bad to put them in my top ten.
You said that you saw me many times deleting posts from someone due to self promotion or because i didnt know the artists mentioned or something like that,can you please name JUST ONE occasion?
Users that have their top tens deleted either have violated the guidelines of the top ten section (Not enough posts for example) or have posted tracks that dont exist or with wrong track names that have to be locked due to respect to the original artists that dont want to see their names next to a track that does not exist.Do you see anything wrong in both situations?
What i see is that you just say innacurate things in order to try and support your position and thesis and i am very interested in seeing how you will reply in all the things that i just mentioned,if you can reply at all....
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DETOX
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Posted : May 21, 2004 02:53
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So when a label offers free cds to users in exchange of flyers distribution in the users countries its not promotion but this is bullshit like you said.....
I said that when i release something on my label it means that i like it and thats why i put it on my top ten.You understood that whichever track i like i go on and sign it and release it and post it on my top ten.....
I asked you to name JUST ONE occasion of me deleting one users top ten because of self promotion but you claim that you cant name even one because i have deleted these threads.You remember though that i have done this action.....
You said that a user cant post a top ten when he has less than ten posts,what you dont know though (and didnt bother even to ask) is that some users spam the forum in order to achieve ten posts and then post a top ten.Then the moderators delete these spam threads by the users and then the user has less than ten posts and i go on and delete his top ten.I bet you had never thought of that in the past right?......
I said that i delete fake named tracks when i know that they are fake but immediately you came and accused me how in the hell i know whether a track is fake or not.Did you ever thought that i delete top tens with fake named tracks when the artists themselves come to me and inform me that they have never produced such tunes?I bet you had never thought of that in the past either right?.....
At least this is a public forum and people can see and read all of your innacurate words and fallacies that you have commited and can judge on their own.
This is my last post towards you not because i dont like speaking to you or that i want to ignore you but i got tired correcting all of the wrong and innacurate things that you mention in each of your posts.
Read the guidelines of this forum,understand how things work around here and PLEASE think twice before hitting the Quick Reply button next time because you are jeopardizing your self with your words and its a pitty cause you dont deserve that,none deserves that actually.
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shahar
IsraTrance Team
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Posted : May 22, 2004 12:27
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On 2004-05-17 22:17, Te_nTe wrote:
karnaf and detox - you two good mods and i appreciate your work but.... dont start to play smartasses.
i think tops like skazi ones -with six tracks out of his favourite 10 - IT IS SELF PROMOTION - and mr DETOX dont tell me if he like or if he not , and all the beautiful things u say about man liking his music or music on his label- I am not negative- we both know that , so lets not start with these things - you can tell me u dont agree with me u dont need to tell me i am negative or smt
These top 10 should be closed or moved to promotional section - there is promotional section where promotion is main idea - why you made the promotion section?---do i not understand something??!!
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It is perfectly allright and understandble for artists/Label DJs to put the stuff they make/release in their tops- it's what they like/play usually, and totally understandble. One of the things that is interesting in top 10s of these people and why we publish them is that it gives you some kind of a preview of what is to happen with that artist/label.
You don't respect that? Make a mental note and don't go hear their sets.
No change of policy here.
About the top 10 section in general- it's been a pain for us, and a lot have asked us to close it/keep people out of it etc. etc.
Yes it's tempting, but I will not take someones' right to write about the tracks he like (which is a fun and great thing) away, because I don't want others to do certain things with, like I don't like the police to keep me from dancing in a party because someone else is dealing drugs there and breaking the law.
The top 10 section is going to go a big change, please wait till that happens.
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shahar
IsraTrance Team
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Posted : May 22, 2004 12:54
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Promotion is OK.
It's needed especially in the very very small world of trance.
I don't like too blatant promotion everywhere, but unlike what a lot of label think, ppl aren't that dumb and can tell the difference between being honest and just promoting under disguise.
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"Be the change you want to see in the world!"
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"There is only one corner of the universe you can be certain of improving, and that's your own self."
Aldous Huxley
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