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dj chichke
Chichke
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 04:10
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On 2010-06-17 19:54, disco hooligans wrote:
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On 2010-06-17 18:29, daark wrote:
how should i use my ears that so would get an answer for my question ?
0 db and compressor(soft limiter) or -3 db and clean
what should i stick to?
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Listen carefully to the tunes you like in your mixing space and get to know what your speakers and room sound like, in other words train your ears so that they get better at listening. Its not an easy task, we still find it hard to get things right, as our mixes are far from perfect.
Stick to identifying/choosing the right samples/sounds and don't mix into a limiter/compressor/EQ in the master channel and don't mix at loud levels, as your eardrums tighten up to compensate for the high SPL levels and your ears "resolution" becomes much lower (Fletcher & Manson curves).
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i agree with you. when i started to make music 1 and an half year ago i tried to listen to music i like and understand what they did, and i couldn't hear anything. after so much listening now i can hear anything they did.
daark. i think first of all you should decide how would you like your mix.
some people prefer strong kick and bassline much weaker. some people prefer them equal. and some people prefer the bassline stronger than the kick. some people would like strong snare and some people whould like the snare at the background. same for closed hh. and i can keep on...the mix is up to you. listen to tracks that you inspired from and try to make resmbling mix.
just one thing that i think it's true to any trance track or even dance track is that you should remember that you want it work on the dancefloor. that means that your kick and bass should be the stronger elemnts at the mix most of the time. if you raise up your leads and fx too much you will get the filling that your kick and bass are not so strong. if your kick is -10 and your lead is -10 also and you don't hear it well, so probebly the lead is not appropriate at your mix, choose another sound ot try to shift your lead to another octave. |
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daark
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 10:10
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i think my ears tell me i should make my mix flat and full with no limiters on any channel
no headroom no clipping.. better -0.1 than 0.1
kick and bass even more or less
still have dynamics if u know what i mean
make a lot of bridges breaks and automation avoid copy paste
and do everything myself from scratch
and ask a mastering engenier my question
anyway i can drop levels down anytime
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xaBBu
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Posted : Jun 20, 2010 10:42
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ummm guys ... what are we talking about here ?
-15 RMS , -6 RMS ... huh ? what rms ? RMS doesnt mean anything then a way to calculate energy contained in a signal. There is NO reference value for it.
If we were to agree on a certain level of loudness we should at least start talking in terms of K-System as proposed by bob katz. Anything else is not of much use imho ...
Cheers,
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dj chichke
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Posted : Jun 20, 2010 12:39
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On 2010-06-20 10:42, xaBBu wrote:
ummm guys ... what are we talking about here ?
-15 RMS , -6 RMS ... huh ? what rms ? RMS doesnt mean anything then a way to calculate energy contained in a signal. There is NO reference value for it.
If we were to agree on a certain level of loudness we should at least start talking in terms of K-System as proposed by bob katz. Anything else is not of much use imho ...
Cheers,
xaBBu
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we understood each other. we ment to the number at the master channel. |
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daark
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Posted : Jun 20, 2010 18:09
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On 2010-06-20 10:42, xaBBu wrote:
ummm guys ... what are we talking about here ?
-15 RMS , -6 RMS ... huh ? what rms ? RMS doesnt mean anything then a way to calculate energy contained in a signal. There is NO reference value for it.
If we were to agree on a certain level of loudness we should at least start talking in terms of K-System as proposed by bob katz. Anything else is not of much use imho ...
Cheers,
xaBBu
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-6rms(dbfs)
i don't really get the k-system yet and theres so fucking much headroom ...
for who???
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daark
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Posted : Jun 20, 2010 18:47
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i read and i read and
"However, it should be recognized the
higher the monitor gain, the less compression is needed to make material sound
good or “punchy”. “Use less processing, just turn up the monitor,” is good advice
for clients." |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jun 23, 2010 13:26
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To be totally honest i dont know either..
im mixing and mastering some tracks that me and my brother made and some of the material is from 2003 and some is very fresh, its very difficult to get a good blend.
some of the old tracks are way too loud, especially the kick and bass and once i lower those i notice that other things in the mix is too loud or just unbalanced... so i have to go through the volume of all elements, its just a mission of listening and not jump to conclution and most important dont sit too long, my recommendation would be max 30 min the take at least a 5- 10min break.... finding balance is really the most difficult mission
i tend to mix the bass and kick way too loud. then when premastering it sounds too bass heavy...
now i try to work more with group channels and mix the kick and bass much lower. i try and keep the tracks around -10dB RMS and peak around -1 or a little louder.... working with goupchannels also makes you see the leveles side by side so it easy to see if its something on the lead group that peaks too loud or if its something on the percgroup...
Im going to test the tracks today in a friends hifi store and then go home and put some final touch, for now.. some fast mixing, mainly lower the kicks and bass, and other elements that are not in balance...
hopefully i can share some more info on how i mix and master when im done with this.... all i can say is that its a hard job getting it right and it takes time and lots of mistakes...
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daark
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Posted : Jun 24, 2010 08:35
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thx a lot on the reply man 
about those basic things like takin' a break and the keep the producing volume... i already know.
so it could be a great advice for more newer people to music creation but i'm kind of through with those stuff...
i wish someone who has done a release or mastered other people could answer me about the rms level issue (i know there is more to the mix than the rms value) and could tell what they usualy use as standart...
is loudness changes if u convert to mp3?
my conclusion from this thread is that i should stick to the loudness of other people so my track could go in mix with them....the dynamics has nothing to do with max loudness cause the most quite sound could be far from the max of course if i'm not killing it.
anyway if i'm not mastering it myself so i should probably give a mix made for mastering...
this is important to me know if i want to end with a mix that could go on to a release...so what it is left to do is to try ...
thank u everybody for the replies !!!
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dj chichke
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Posted : Jun 24, 2010 13:08
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On 2010-06-24 08:35, daark wrote:
thx a lot on the reply man
about those basic things like takin' a break and the keep the producing volume... i already know.
so it could be a great advice for more newer people to music creation but i'm kind of through with those stuff...
i wish someone who has done a release or mastered other people could answer me about the rms level issue (i know there is more to the mix than the rms value) and could tell what they usualy use as standart...
is loudness changes if u convert to mp3?
my conclusion from this thread is that i should stick to the loudness of other people so my track could go in mix with them....the dynamics has nothing to do with max loudness cause the most quite sound could be far from the max of course if i'm not killing it.
anyway if i'm not mastering it myself so i should probably give a mix made for mastering...
this is important to me know if i want to end with a mix that could go on to a release...so what it is left to do is to try ...
thank u everybody for the replies !!!
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i just gave my tracks to ido ophir (domestic) for mastering and i asked him if it's good that my tracks are -2 to -3 at the master channel (at cubase) at the busy parts. and he said this is how it should be. |
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daark
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Posted : Jun 24, 2010 13:50
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dj chichke
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Posted : Jun 25, 2010 01:30
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are you sure it's peak? |
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daark
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Posted : Jun 25, 2010 11:34
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daark
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Posted : Jun 30, 2010 09:39
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Posted : Jul 1, 2010 12:31
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Medea
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