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luje
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Posted : Jan 13, 2005 19:25
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On 2005-01-13 16:38, full_on wrote:
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On 2005-01-13 08:57, Candy wrote:
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More than 90% of these people never saw an original psytrance CD. The go to raves because it's "fashion" to go to parties.
Psytrance parties is not the place for psychedelic experiences anymore.
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Most of the time it's not even healthy to do these things on such horrible environments.
Even the small gathering in the woods or at the beach were jeopardized but these kind of demi-freaks.
One has to hide well, support what you like in every way possible and don't look to all that shit that is happening as if it was part of what you do.
By the other hand, a lot of people enjoy what they're doing and what is happening. Let them be... The same way they should let us.
There is no way we can unite. That's because the only thing Respect can't cope is with disrespect.
The same way psychedelia can't walk hand by hand with numbness.
The only way people change their mind is by their own will and experience.
Know what?
All we can do is do our own stuff, that we love, fulfill it with stimuli, and be there happilly with our alikes, maybe even as an option for those that change their own mind...whenever that happens.
But let's not just wait for that  May never come  |
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m_z_x
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Posted : Jan 13, 2005 20:33
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when i first discovered psytrance i was really tired of house and techno, in fact i had never been a big fan. i went to clubs mostly for the fun, never for the music (my tastes in music being, at the time, far away from electronic-think blues, jazz, bossanova, 60's rock...).
trance changed that way of viewing things because i fell in love with the music first. then came the parties and everything associated. i feel sorry for those of you who have lived in "good old days" of psy, because when you go to parties you probably feel like i do when i go to a regular club here in lisbon: tired, bored and misplaced.
i don't go to many parties, now. i save myself for the big festivals (boom!) but i ocasionally like to drop by some party if there's an artist i want to see. i'm really pissed off at the moment, because i'd like to check exaile's live act here on the 5th of february but i probably won't, since it's in a place that will be crawling with mitras (arsim or whatever) all happily clenching their jaws to the beat (and the x).
i agree with outolintu's point of view. maybe everyone is just slowly groing out of things. maybe it's time to steer away from the commercial and just stay home or organize small private parties, or whatever suits you best.
oh, and i don't think that this change is an exclusive of the psy scene: the world is changing, my friends, and quickly. unfortunately not for better.
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DiMiTry
IsraTrance Full Member
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Posted : Jan 13, 2005 22:23
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I think there is still plenty of highly original psychedelic music being made and released - in all genres of psytrance - dark, full-on, proggy, etc. Just have to sift through a lot of crap to find it. Being close-minded and refusing to listen to something because it's made in a certain 'style' or sounds good on the dancefloor isn't very mature, imo. Open your ears, and you might be surprised.
Anyway, I think with time the more psychedelic and the more 'dancefloor' styles will separate like they did back in the 90s with clubtrance and goa. Notice how clubtrance (or dnb, for that matter) isn't really doing so well anymore. Styles which cater mainly to the lowest common denominator dancefloor crowd get boring fast.
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EYB
Noized
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Posted : Jan 14, 2005 00:35
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I think a lot of people here are very respectless to artists, djs and labels.
Peace
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H2O
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Jan 14, 2005 01:05
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DiMiTry, yer.
The spamming guy from Malta is original, heard one of his jobs thou.
Talpa and Misted Mupped came out only this year. When i'm pretty damn sure noone can list here better releases in past four years(when there were no SPun's massive cracking and Chemical Crew's overdistorted guitars).
So please do not blame fullon or dark. Scene getting bigger and changes it's face due to development(or maybe not)
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s0ft
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Jan 14, 2005 01:30
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classics like infected mushroom changed and you all hated it...
no one else changes and you hate it...
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olivier
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Posted : Jan 14, 2005 01:55
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On 2005-01-14 01:30, s0ft wrote:
no one is going to be satisfied ever.
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it's proper to human being ;)
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clown
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Posted : Jan 14, 2005 02:09
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On 2005-01-13 16:32, Side-A wrote:
i found a lot of my thoughts in tim, yuli and furthur words !
it reminds me the opening dj set of voov this year ... the 1st guy that played there on friday night,he opened the festival with astrix "underbeat"... not that i don't like this track, i actually do like it, but i thought that was quite lame to open such a festival with 145 bpm full on ...
i almost feel there is no more room on a psytrance dancefloor for anything else than rolling basslines ... that's sad ...
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Thats probably because of Politics.. You book me, i book you kinda stuff.. You end up with a ton of dj's that all throw/play the same kind/style of music.. Plus, you can't ask them to adapte themselves to the overall progression of the party..
Whats an overall progression anyways??
People all want to be the star of the night. The most pounding dj, the one that played the most unreleased, the one with the biggest dick. Plus, i see very often that they only progress in there own set (if even), regardless of what time they are playing at or who just played what before them.
But then again, this all come's down to taste, and taste varies from person to person. So don't kill me.. 
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Kitnam
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Posted : Jan 14, 2005 02:38
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First I like to say:
@Yuli
I know some of your tracks. Trust me, I recognize the little goodies in the structure you do, I realise the overall feeling of the room and the atmosphere you try to create. This is very special music for special moments on the floor. The best word to describe your sound is "Acupuncture", because the words in the sentences of your songs are very precise and like to be very effective in trancemitting the informations which you prefered for our dancing soul. Thank you and keep on working, whatever you do!
@All
Some of you know my opinion about drugs. I could wrote you an 10-page.assay why drugs are destroying our scene. But its late know, some of you understood it allready, the ones who thing they dont know, even know it deeply inside of theirselfes but dont want to face the truce.
The drugs are killing our scene. It is dying. The only reasons why a lot of people keep moving in this scene has 2 reasons: Money or Drugs. (For some maybe both).
There is another reason: Hope (A lot of you here)
Money is not very bad, we all know how it works. Some have more some have less. At the end its not realy important. We have some people in our scene which make big things, big events, gigs, labels, distributions whatever, all of them are not realy rich. There is no problem in our scene with money, buy the way: The only one who makes big big money in this scene is the guy who presses 1 Million XTC-pills on Bali and ships it into 30 different countrys where it will be sold on 20000 different psytrancepartys. How many innovative labels and artists would be still alive if the scene bought more CD instead of pills?
Maybe we would have more artists in our scene instead of producers. Maybe we had better listened to the tons of postings which told us to stop sharing mp3s. Maybe we better had noticed our parents which told us that drugs are not nice. Maybe we would realise then what crap sound the Dj is playing instead of jumping around on amphetamine. Now, the toy is broken.
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furthur
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Posted : Jan 14, 2005 04:26
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On 2005-01-13 19:15, s0ft wrote:
all these people agree with you, kaz. it seems like 100% of these people feel the same way you do, but yet nothing is changing. are these people lying? are they trying to look a certain way? I just dont understand why there are so many people that "honestly" feel this way and yet the psytrance scene hasnt moved an inch. something isnt right.
anyway, Im happy with trance at the moment, but it wouldnt hurt for some change, i agree.
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What do you mean by so many ppl? All these ppl you are talking about that expressed their opinion here cannot number more than thirty or forty people. Is that really enough to change anything globally? We are trying, but obviously not everyone feels this way.
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s0ft
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Posted : Jan 14, 2005 04:58
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artists give the people what they want, thats the way the industry works. listeners buy albums they like and leave the other "bad" ones alone, which filters out the stuff that isnt wanted. when i read this thread i see people from all over the world expressing a similar opinion, that psytrance needs a change.
quite honestly, im just mad that these people come out of the woodwork when the subject comes up. where were they before? half these people were jamming to the tunes they are putting down. i shouldnt judge, but it seems like they are trying to stay on the "cutting edge of psytrance" and start a movement all for the wrong reasons. kaz is a slightly higher respected user than most others, am i right? i mean, he is a great person, i have seen the good in him. but im afraid these people that are fallowing him are just fallowing the "cool kid." know what i mean?
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s0ft
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Posted : Jan 14, 2005 05:12
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i know this doesnt apply to everyone, but i have a feeling it applys to some... too many. |
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s0ft
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Jan 14, 2005 05:25
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On 2005-01-13 19:15, s0ft wrote:
all these people agree with you, kaz. it seems like 100% of these people feel the same way you do, but yet nothing is changing. are these people lying? are they trying to look a certain way? I just dont understand why there are so many people that "honestly" feel this way and yet the psytrance scene hasnt moved an inch. something isnt right.
anyway, Im happy with trance at the moment, but it wouldnt hurt for some change, i agree.
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What do you mean by so many ppl? All these ppl you are talking about that expressed their opinion here cannot number more than thirty or forty people. Is that really enough to change anything globally? We are trying, but obviously not everyone feels this way.
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while im thinking about it...
i think these opinions on this forum CAN in fact change things. I mean, we have direct contact with all the biggest artists, labels, organizers. all of these peoples opinions were not expressed until kaz said something about it. |
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Jeto
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Posted : Jan 15, 2005 00:35
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I didnt bother to read the whole post because to me it needs to be flushed down the toilet.
This whole Full On Vs Progressive or Dark music thing is getting QUITE FUCKING OLD.
or Formulaic trance or whatever you want to call it.
If you dont like it simple dont listen to it.
If you think theres no evolution fine.. MAKE IT YOURSLEF> BE THE EVOLUTION,... dont come over here and bitch on it ... coz I highly doubt doing it is gonna make GMS change into style like Azax Sydrome or vice versa./ NO ... the artist that make thier music will keep continue... and new artists that have new idea will also make some good.
and Kaz your not the only one who been listent o music since 96-97...Anyways thats just my 2 cents.. and IM proly NEVER going to read thi post again. so dont reply me coz it has too much garbage in it.
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sophicos
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Posted : Jan 24, 2005 04:04
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kaz , you own ! can't believe im posting this just now , but you know how i feel and my thoughts in the issue , hope you'll be satisfied soon enough with some progression ...
oh , yeah i do care , and allways will
give'em hell me , you give'em hell , heheh
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