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furthur
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Posted : Jan 13, 2005 00:56
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i suggest to anybody stop doing psychedelic drugs at parties (for once at least) and ask yourself: do i like this? does it touch me? |
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I dont agree fully. In fact, I almost dont ever do psychedelics in parties anymore because the music is not up to my standards. I find that if I am sober and the music sucks it bothers me much less than when I am tripping on psychedelics and am really into what I am listening to. Except that the drugs I see on the dancefloor these days are not at all the psychedelics that make you hear music better, it is other shit.
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Yuli
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Posted : Jan 13, 2005 02:14
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In fact, I almost dont ever do psychedelics in parties anymore because the music is not up to my standards. I find that if I am sober and the music sucks it bothers me much less than when I am tripping on psychedelics and am really into what I am listening to. Except that the drugs I see on the dancefloor these days are not at all the psychedelics that make you hear music better, it is other shit.
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Yo man I dig u fully. Completely. If I should refer to the subject I guess it should have come out of my mouth exactly this way.
Now back to the cave.
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Saylum
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Posted : Jan 13, 2005 02:29
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Anak, I fully agree that people should do less psychedelic drugs, since when people hear "psytrance" or "psychedelic" they automaticly link it to drugs, and no-one can deny it and say "sorry, but it have nothing to do with each other", since it DOES!
About the dancing issue, I dont agree, since people can dance and "dig" in anyway they choose. I never judge a person by his dance on a party, and belive me ive seen some realy wierd people, dancing in realy strange and various ways, but hey... let them dance like they want to dance, its their choise, and if they enjoy it then I cant say "dont dance this way"...
Anyhow, I think that pstrance and even artist are effected by drugs too much.. But if someone likes the music better if his on xtc, so be it... But dont like the music only if youre stoned.
I like to listen to psytrance all the time, but quality music that touchs me! not the avrage bassline, kicks and the same style like everyone.. No offence, as much as I like Chemical Crew, 60% of the artists there create very similer music, everyone got his own uniqe things, but if you listen to it, its so much a like, but so much diffrent..
And I do think that the first step should be from the artists instead of the crowd, but it should be only their step, it should be everyones step.. I mean let the artists create the music they like, and the crowd will just follow what he likes.. I dont appricaite an artist, that create excellent music, if he doesnt create the kind of music he likes.. Everyone should just follow their heart, and do what they like, and for ONCE, dont go with the flow..
Peace & Love!
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Candy
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Posted : Jan 13, 2005 08:57
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If such a decandence exists, it probably feeds itself from somewhere no?
Thing is, we internet freaks, are a minority in our thoughts. Here many people will agree with you. BUT in real life, most of them prefer the same old recycled xtc music. These artists who make this kind of music perform all around the world, so why should they stop producing such music? It has a crowd, and a big one! Most trance crowd don't want to think about their music, but want it to be served on a golden plate.
I too am tired and disgusted by what is going on. Therefore I try to make a change - my way.
Majority is never right!
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Dragongurl
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Posted : Jan 13, 2005 10:45
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I agree with what kaz says and what many others have said in this post. Its now been put into words what I've been sorta thinking, but I never really wanna voice my opinions. I'de rather say nothing if its in a bad light.
And I would advise other ppl to heed these words, cause I respect the users that have posted here and they are giving much respect in return.
:: Life can be as bitter as dragon tears
But whether dragon tears are bitter or sweet
depends entirely on how each man perceives the taste :: |
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Butterfly Records
Butterfly Records
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Posted : Jan 13, 2005 12:17
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Hey Kaz man I agree with you 100% , I am a man of few words and like Dragongurl said sometimes I rather say nothing if it's in a bad light !!
BUT....
with all the respect to other artists and labels this is why I have put up my own label for my own music labels have their style and music which they want to release and I have my own inovative style of music too and I find that it's not fair that all the hard work I put in my music will not be released because of labels tastes I say again with all the respect to the labels, but hey I have to respect my hard work too !!!
Which why I repeat Butterfly Records was born !!!
Now you may Like the music or you might not thats enitely up to the individual my intantion is not to get rich as we all know it's inpossible but at least my message is out there TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT !! http://studio-construction.blogspot.com/
NEW KEMIC-AL ALBUM IS COOKING !
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Rik
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Posted : Jan 13, 2005 13:46
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Aldo: leave out the capitals, there's no need to shout, and candy does have a point. It would have been much more gracefull to have seen your opinion without the promotional bit, i'm quite sure Kaz knows your music already.
As for my personal view, from a country where the scene is still growing continuously and changing form as we speak, as new organisers teams are born and old ones stop. This continuous change definatly has a lot of influence on those that have been part of this scene for some time (a modest 8 years in my case). I think what we're trying to deal with here is the fact that since this style of music is being made it appealed to a much larger crowd than the previously existing styles did. Commercially this is very interesting and very tempting for artists to create music that is bought by these people, as it is every artist's wish to play at parties, sell records and be recoughnised it's normal that there is an ever growing availability of music of this kind being sold by more and more labels.
Their targer audience simply is a lot bigger and more established than what you are interested in...
and this can hurt. specially if you are attached in such a personal way to a scene that is growing away from your way of perceiving/appreciating this scene.
the good thing is that as things get bigger they tend to split up in different parts anyway, and i personally am waiting for this to happen, creating a new smaller group of people that share interests in music and concepts, way of thinking and more, the way it used to be, in those damned "good old days" we're not supposed to talk about because we'd be whining 
keep the constructive feedback coming, it's been a most interesting read so far 
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EYB
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Posted : Jan 13, 2005 15:53
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Kaz i don't agree with u at all
Whats wrong with 1200 mics? They rock!
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Outolintu
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Posted : Jan 13, 2005 16:20
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ok:
the sound of today is "the sound" for kids
as psychedelic or goa was "the sound" for me
(or you who are complaining) back then. i'll
bet my boots that if somebody would come with
that kind of a sound again it wouldn't have such an affect anymore because of... age .
i'm not as young as i was and don't see or feel the world in the same way anymore
and this affects also the music i hear. do you understand what i'm saying? there's nothing that will compensate your first big
love in the same way again. you can't get the
excact feeling back.
i'm pro new blaster futuristic funk idm ambient fury (and that won't be anything new, just recycled and puzzled up existing
music) but it won't be the same thing as in '95 
p.s. i have been thinking about this matter
by myself for some years now. this is a nice
thread because people see that they're not alone with their disappointment and the empty feeling that (for me) the progressive
trance wave started some years a go.
i challenge people to start making music that
they would like to hear!
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olivier
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Posted : Jan 13, 2005 16:32
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i found a lot of my thoughts in tim, yuli and furthur words !
it reminds me the opening dj set of voov this year ... the 1st guy that played there on friday night,he opened the festival with astrix "underbeat"... not that i don't like this track, i actually do like it, but i thought that was quite lame to open such a festival with 145 bpm full on ...
i almost feel there is no more room on a psytrance dancefloor for anything else than rolling basslines ... that's sad ... |
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full_on
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Posted : Jan 13, 2005 16:38
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On 2005-01-13 08:57, Candy wrote:
Thing is, we internet freaks, are a minority in our thoughts. Here many people will agree with you. BUT in real life, most of them prefer the same old recycled xtc music. |
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Here in Brazil most people go to psytrance parties just to know what a "rave" is like, to use drugs without having to worry with cops or parents, or to have fun (not to have psychedelic experience).
More than 90% of these people never saw an original psytrance CD. The go to raves because it's "fashion" to go to parties.
Psytrance parties is not the place for psychedelic experiences anymore.
Respect.
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Nomolos(Zenon Rec.)
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Posted : Jan 13, 2005 16:53
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On 2005-01-13 16:38, full_on wrote:
Here in Brazil most people go to psytrance parties just to know what a "rave" is like, to use drugs without having to worry with cops or parents, or to have fun (not to have psychedelic experience).
More than 90% of these people never saw an original psytrance CD. The go to raves because it's "fashion" to go to parties.
Psytrance parties is not the place for psychedelic experiences anymore.
Respect.
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Cheers.
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The Green Channel
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Posted : Jan 13, 2005 17:05
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On 2005-01-12 22:30, Anak wrote:
i suggest to anybody stop doing psychedelic drugs at parties (for once at least) and ask yourself: do i like this? does it touch me? |
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I dont agree fully. In fact, I almost dont ever do psychedelics in parties anymore because the music is not up to my standards. I find that if I am sober and the music sucks it bothers me much less than when I am tripping on psychedelics and am really into what I am listening to. Except that the drugs I see on the dancefloor these days are not at all the psychedelics that make you hear music better, it is other shit.
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"Love is a way of life"
(Gaia, Love, Nature, Shamanism (.2A.y.0a.hu.1a.sc.2a.), Terence McKenna) |
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s0ft
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Posted : Jan 13, 2005 19:15
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all these people agree with you, kaz. it seems like 100% of these people feel the same way you do, but yet nothing is changing. are these people lying? are they trying to look a certain way? I just dont understand why there are so many people that "honestly" feel this way and yet the psytrance scene hasnt moved an inch. something isnt right.
anyway, Im happy with trance at the moment, but it wouldnt hurt for some change, i agree. |
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H2O
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Posted : Jan 13, 2005 19:22
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Just most of ppl find psy scene as money source which is reality. I don't see Kaz(not only him) organize parties, labels and crowd who will like "better" music without large money loss. |
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