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pr0fane
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Posted : Jan 12, 2005 18:27
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Goannes
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Posted : Jan 12, 2005 20:19
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Evolution can't be stopped, it's out of our hands.
I think a lot of good things will come out of the sellingformula and in the end people will be grateful for it.
And I can not say I don't like easylistening and easydancing music, because it just IS easy to listen and to dance too. Different emotions on the same beat.
 
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GeZer
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Posted : Jan 12, 2005 20:22
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IM A SNOB AND FUCKING PRODE OF THAT !!
i agree with every word but i realy think you got this whole wrong.
kaz, you got a great couse you just have the wrong one. you cant (and dont want to, belive me) change people taste in music. if e-jay trax made in 40 min is good for them , so be it.
krell said it best. you need to take it to the underground and let it evolve ther. thers alot of artist making expiremental psy with lots of breack beat\idm\ambient infulanses , they just dont get as much expuser as main stream artist do. infact , labales are the first one to be blamed for that. but again , nomolos was right (if i got him right)- you cant tell them how to run ther buissnes.
just give a fuck about everyone. it's hopeless...
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Surrender
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Posted : Jan 12, 2005 20:29
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kaz man,
if i could vote for you for president i would... you managed to articulate many feelings i have with trance lately... feelings of estrangement from the parties, dj's, people and worst of all from the music itself.
i identify a natural process that happens with everything that grows, it changes and gells on a certain level... much like children who are pure and creative - they later become more set in their minds and thoughts as they become adults and find a fixed idea with little revolution around it. i see this happening here too, it is unfortunate and i dont like it, but its natural. i think we must also look at ourselves and see if we are the ones who are stuck on those older ideas, im not saying to blame yourself for being old and experienced, but your neural pathways have been "burned" by some sounds since the early 90's whilst the kids who listen to new formula artists today are hearing them for the first time. im sure you are aware of this issue... along with the shifting away from the original concepts and ideas of the music into more dancelfoor oriented themes, the music and the culture lost its direction, generally speaking. i totally agree with you about that, i find myself not being able to connect to the new breed of people in this scene, but i dont think its elitism kaz... i think you do know something they dont, something they cannot know and cannot be blamed for not knowing - simply cause they werent there in those times. its a rotten situation, one i dont see a good solution to other then what Yuli suggests.
i try to remedy this situation on a personal level by not listening to too much trance lately, trying to listen to only artists that i think are innovating and messing with those spots in my brain and heart you speak of... the ones that make your spine chill and your neck hair rise.
if u have any ideas that u need uncle sam's help on.. you know where to find me.
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H2O
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Posted : Jan 12, 2005 21:31
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Kaz, you can always create a new community. Many here agree with you, i do. If you really care then start to think how you can change it instead of complain.
I don;t think we can change the mainstream or listeners so the only way is to create something different for these who think like you. Underground should be an opposite to commercial, there are labels and even in Israel which non commmercial. Contact then, create online community, discuss your disclaimer, start to promote amoung ppl who think like you. It would take much time and free will to achieve but if you truly believe in, you must try then. I assume 20% of this forum will agree with you. So start do something in order to see future. |
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scraper
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Posted : Jan 12, 2005 22:03
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I completely agree with kaz about the music becoming nothing-but dancefloor oriented these days. that's what the artists are aiming for mostly when making music nowadays. it's not about making you go insane while listening to it at home anymore, it's about bringing as many people as possible to a party they play at. which imo, sucks!
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Saylum
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Posted : Jan 12, 2005 22:04
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On 2005-01-12 22:03, scraper wrote:
I completely agree with kaz about the music becoming nothing-but dancefloor oriented these days. that's what the artists are aiming for mostly when making music nowadays. it's not about making you go insane while listening to it at home anymore, it's about bringing as many people as possible to a party they play at. which imo, sucks!
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Exactly.. Lately it seems that all artists care about is more money, greed is getting over them..
Its sad to see it happens to the scene, but if theres going to be a change, the ARTISTS must take the first move..
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Anak
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Posted : Jan 12, 2005 22:30
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saylum, its difficult to say who'll have to make the first move. of course, the artist makes the music and plays out for the crowd, thus is to be blamed for the shitty music around us, on the other handside we have a drugged, fucked up crowd who dances to any bollocks you'd serve them, be it the newest britney spears remix or the latest killer metallica remake. i think the drugs play a big role in this. i have a friend who has the same thoughts as me in case of music. but being on drugs in festivals he still dances to anything and even says to me that it was great, altho if he had been in clear mind he certainly would have stopped dancing and left the floor.
i suggest to anybody stop doing psychedelic drugs at parties (for once at least) and ask yourself: do i like this? does it touch me? or is it just the fucking groove driving me crazy? if the last option is right for you, a house club would do its work too for you. people just should stop dancing imho. i dont know if this counts for everyone, but i cant dance to music i like. and i think no one can, but most people dont see this. dancing is an expression of feelings towards the music, and when i see people in parties doing boring oktoberfest moves i can see it in their eyes that they actually dont think "wow this is an amazing tune of art!" but maybe something like "hey this is pretty groovy". thats what i miss: the soul in music. the showing of real emotions. emotional power, not power bassline. the courage of the artists to do whatever they like to do. i want music back....to hell with fullon, prog, minimal...
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Cosmos Mariner
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Posted : Jan 12, 2005 22:37
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I completely agree with kaz about the music becoming nothing-but dancefloor oriented these days. ...it's not about making you go insane while listening to it at home anymore... |
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kaz, i haven't been into psy nearly as long as you, but i agree with you on many points. this one above tho, puzzles me.
isn't the origin of psytrance all about the dancefloor and the party? i can see that the music was more innovative 10 yrs ago, but not because its purpose was to make you freak out at home. rather, it was supposed to make you freak out in a group setting 
let's not forget, good music still sounds good on a dance floor. the whole "trance dance experience" imho is one of the best parts of psytrance. unfortunately (and i think this is what the above quote is getting at) that's not what's happening at every party
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full_on
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Posted : Jan 12, 2005 22:40
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The first move should be taken by "the crowd", demanding high-quality psychedely.
But it seems all "the crowd" cares about is wearing fashion clothes and being stoned.
So... The only thing I know is: I only by the albums I really like and I only go to real underground parties (maybe I'll open an expection for a festival in the middle of the year).
But here in Brazil there's no non-commercial party anymore. So I'm staying home... 
Respect!
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Cosmos Mariner
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Posted : Jan 12, 2005 22:49
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On 2005-01-12 22:30, Anak wrote:
people just should stop dancing imho. i dont know if this counts for everyone, but i cant dance to music i like. and i think no one can
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this is absurd.
ok, for some people, trance might as well be house. these are called "stupid" people. unfortunately, there are more of these "stupid" people, than not. this is a fact of life.
and i agree, taking a break from the drugs is a good idea for many people. but just because you liked music while on acid that you wouldn't have sober, what does that mean? one time i spent 30 minutes while tripping staring at a watermelon. the same watermelon was not nearly as interesting later.
but stop dancing?
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Anak
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Posted : Jan 12, 2005 23:22
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Basilisk
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Posted : Jan 13, 2005 00:05
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Anytime I bother to go to a party these days I can't help but wonder when the PSYCHEDELIC trance is going to come on. I hear hard aggressive kick drums and loping, rolling, giggling bass lines... smashing hi-hats and a pounding snare. Over this foundation little is built however - just the same old unlayered hyperkinetic garbage. One may as well go listen to Nu-NRG/UK Hard House for an evening - the problems are really quite similar. Without drugs... without being enraptured by the novelty of a new scene... without there being any serious psychedelic component to the music - it just isn't going to work for so many long-time fans... I think people all across the movement need to wake up and get with things! Balance a party, integrate different styles of music, and don't just pound generic full-on every moment. It is important to fix the state of the psychedelic trance world.
Until then, I'm just staying home and enjoying what I like to listen to...
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Cosmos Mariner
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Posted : Jan 13, 2005 00:43
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On 2005-01-12 23:22, Anak wrote:
there is "dont" missing in my second sentence. i'm just saying that the crowd choses what to hear and what not. and i think there are much people in the crowd who dont know anymore what they really want to hear because of some substances they dont know how to use.
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ok, now you're talking... 
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timsensient
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Posted : Jan 13, 2005 00:53
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On 2005-01-13 00:05, basilisk wrote:
Anytime I bother to go to a party these days I can't help but wonder when the PSYCHEDELIC trance is going to come on...One may as well go listen to Nu-NRG/UK Hard House for an evening...
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The majority of music i hear at paries these days is so close to NRG its not funny. For example at Summer Dreaming (major Aust. "Psy" festival) it was like this all fucking day. The one hope i had there was to see Domestic play. Whilst he started with a few nice tracks of course by halfway through his set he had degenerated into the same old generic bullshit that everyone plays with cheesy key changes, appergiators and the rest etc.etc....WTF??? DOMESTIC?!!! What happened to the deep intelligent music he used to do? HAs his tasted really changed this much over such a short time? Or is he just another example of a dj giving in to the will of the masses?
Anyway more and more i find myself being inspired by my close group of musical friends around me - people who are still interested and open to new sounds. Its more about this and less about the parties for me these days. This does keep me satisfied, i hope you can find satisfaction somewhere Kaz!!
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