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linos(Temple Records)
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Posted : Feb 24, 2004 10:07
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My friend tralala,
I know what you mean and believe me things are not so easy down here as it seems. In a previous post I made, I made it clear that reward is not always in money. They offer you a service you offer them a service. They help you out at some point you help them out at another. I know one thing; when there is a will, there is a way! I also know how it is to loose money. Last summer I organised a 5 day festival for a first time down here in Cyprus with 25 djs, stalls, food, chill out area I even got a 6m swimmingpool in this football field I had reserved for the festival. I knew it was hard to get over but Iwanted to start something that would build the scene, but it had to be done good whatever the cost! I lost 25000 pounds that is 42000 euro. Some people set me up? Yes, but would I have been different as a person paying them back with the same attitute? And how would you perceive me as a person or as a promoter if I was writing down against others and not AT LEAST ask to be UNITE. I know is not the easiest thing to do in a world that we were taught and forced to compete for the energy of others. Well the way I see it, the least I can do is ask to be unite and share my thoughts and beliefs. This is not about parties, this is not about making more money, our all actions is about finding our true self and drawing that path of life that will lead us to what our purpose of life is! Nothing is coincitence(simptosi) in this life. For example the fact that we both care of this scene and right now we exchange ideas not for the parties but the life itself, might help us grow as persons. And thats what really matters!
Respect bro to you and all!
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XrTC
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Posted : Feb 26, 2004 00:06
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well said linos... life nowadays has become so fucked up that this "trading" shit (one can offer something, but in order to do it he wants/expects something back) is even encountered between friends, or should i say "friends"?
btw, that's a lot of money you are talkin about, i am glad to hear that money is not everything for you. maybe we can all learn something from this story.
and remember, "it's ok to grow up, as long as you don't grow old"  
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arcana
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Posted : Feb 29, 2004 00:47
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Detox
our problem would not be the high ticket price IF:capacity 5000 people didn't mean not being able to breathe while our sweat is dripping from the roof, projectors,laser show and jugglers existing only in our imagination as that it's an over 18's event...
even if these conditions really exist, 35 euros remain too much....we only care for the high ticket price exactly like the organizers only care about how to make more(more)money without caring about the music and quality...
we used to go to parties but as time pases you expect SOME things to change,and they didn't-instead only got worse,so we have not been to a party for a long time...
things like all the above plus a few others(a small bottle of water that costs 3euros or 35-if you give the entrance instead,bad sound system...etc)makes you think twice before going to a party...
we still hope that SOME things will change...someday soon..until then people will be going to parties just to take drugs not caring about the music,decoration,jugglers....,...
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nobody_3
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Posted : Feb 29, 2004 14:31
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As an outsider with some knowledge about Greece and the Greek people I think the answer is quite simple to why your scene suffer at the moment (your not the only country). The answer is that your promoters sabotage eachother and always have as long as I can remember. It's like a Greek Mafia split in 2. If someone have success the other promoters will do everything they can to sabotage it. No one (or very few) work together and if they do it's 99.9% sure that one of the 2 will do something to ruin the partnership. It's not an attack on anyone it's simply the reality. I love the Greek Malaka's very much but you got to start facing the truth. You fight to much with eachother and that's why you have so much trouble at the moment. Of course there's other issues such as an agressive policy against parties from the Gouvernment/Police but it does not help when organisers call the Police to tell them that another organiser is a dope dealer or when a organiser plant drugs at another organisers party and then call the Police. I have seen it happen over over again in Greece and even had a dear friend put to jail for several years because another organiser felt he had too much success and therefore planted drugs at his party and called the Police.
A good example is The Olympic Games. If your country cant even be ready in time with the preparations and might put the whole games in danger of happening because some Contractors sabotage eachother then how can you expect to work together as promoters? It's an attitude change you need in Greece. It's as simple and complex as that
And maybe a change in music would be a "carrot" for people to go to parties again and enjoy it. To book the same names over and over again wont make anything more interesting. I remember when the Greek scene was innovating and visionary. Now it's 99.9% Full On Israel/Greek trance and not much else (as it have been since 1998) - Maybe it's time to change a little?
The exception are the few yearly festivals that take place. The rest is the same and same over and over again.
And no this is not to try to get a gig in Greece myself. Frankly I am not sure I would even enjoy to play in Greece as long as the party situation is the way it is right now. I just feel it's a shame that such a stunning beautiful country and otherwise cool and nice people keep fighting with eachother instead of working together. |
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linos(Temple Records)
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Posted : Mar 1, 2004 09:54
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...........and the above words from a person who is not even Greek!
Well said Elysium!
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LeeLoo
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Posted : Mar 1, 2004 16:41
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Well, all the things said on this topic made me think! 
...at the party "scene" in greece!
Well some promoters or organisors should put themselves out of business, or should be put by trancers by saying 'no' to ppl that are only are in it cause money is so sweet after all! 
About supporting the scene or not supporting the scene by doing something else until it collapses (like the roman empire or something?) i definitely say no! 
As far as drugs are concerned partying is no excuse for being an addicf!  Use them don't let them use u!
I agree with Linos and Elysium (nice going!) about Unity. I'm a alltime romantic and nostalgic with peace, love and unity (even if it existed in the early days of the scene in Greece!) Organisors and promoters should collaborate and not contradict by having events the same day I agree! It comes to me that music is a way of communicating with others, the scene should not be devided by any means to progressive, techno, psychedelic, full on or whatever the label is on the music you prefer (I like it all, all the way)! There are good elements in all music scene, trance or not.  
But not in any means one should attend parties where they should pay a 25 - 40 ticket and not to be provided at least with water!  Even on drugs or not water is vital and when one pays 40 shouldn't give a penny more for water!!!  
This is quite enough I suppose... 
May you all prosper and have a nice day!
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XrTC
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Posted : Mar 2, 2004 04:48
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what's wrong in stopping to support a "bad", disrespectful scene, and most of all watching it go to hell (in a great pleasure i might add)? especially if -after all- there is NO way of it getting any better... sometimes a clean start is much better than trying to save the remains of something not worthing it (especially by fooling ourselves that things will improve, when we clearly see that they are getting worse and worse).
empires have NOTHING to do with it...
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LeeLoo
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Posted : Mar 2, 2004 10:24
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Well, I find very pesimistic the idea that things are not getting any better... And the idea of a collapsing domain (which actually is) by not supporting the scene and making a clean sart, an utopia. Ravers, trancers or whatever may support the scene by taking good care of themselves first (that is by not supporting pure business ppl of the scene  )!
Music is a big industry but trance music is more than that... thankfully!
Furthermore we are all in the same gutter... We cannot change the gutter but we can do things to change the situation in the gutter!
And that's my humple opinion 
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SiriusProject
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Posted : Mar 2, 2004 18:59
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There he goes...
one of God's own prototypes.
Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
A high-powered mutant of some kind never|even considered for mass production.
A generation|of permanent cripples...
failed seekers...
who never understood the essential|old-mystic fallacy of the acid culture:
the desperate assumption|that somebody...
is tending the light|at the end of the tunnel.
or at least some force...(FLLV 1971)
*****we came from stars****** |
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XrTC
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Posted : Mar 2, 2004 20:50
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leeloo you are playing with words here... you say "support the scene ... by not supporting the business ppl". basically, i agree with you, we need a change. after all, that's what this topic is all about. doing something for the scene. it's just that if the only change we can manage to do is "collapse the party scene", then (for me) even this change is welcome. of course, if we can improve the existing party scene, then yes by all means!
p.s. i think you misunderstood me here... i am not talking about music industry or music scene or trance scene. i am talking about the PARTY scene!
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LeeLoo
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Posted : Mar 3, 2004 04:42
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"of course, if we can improve the existing party scene, then yes by all means!" I didn't see that statement in any of your previous posts, so it must not strike you bad if you were misunderstood. Even in your previous reply you were still talking about a clean start, I think.
Even if you are talking about the party scene
then you shouldn't refer to trancers but to dancers?! 
The party scene involves trance scene... So respectfully when we are talking about the party scene and about the change we are definitely talking about 1.trancers and 2.the trance scene's change really, no?
The party scene in the trance scene doesn't need a clean start (utopia). It just needs a -pure business ppl that have nothing to do with the trance scene or ppl that seem to have find it a good business industry to make a snatch - wipe off.
Need some Ajax?!!!
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XrTC
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Posted : Mar 8, 2004 21:55
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you say it wipe off, i say it clean start. i am not arguing with you.
ajax can be good... (at least the syndrome)
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Respect is earned, not demanded...
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theoblcrew
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Posted : Mar 11, 2004 14:36
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i live in athens and i too am disgusted with the circumstances under wich we are forced to party (lack of water and other goods, high prices, lack of respect to the trancers/ravers as individuals etc.etc.blahblahblah). i also acknowledge that party promoters are not willing to make even one thing to improve the situation, since they benefit out of it (us).
so, i came up with this simple, stupid idea: we can form a movement whose only cause is to improve the terms of partying as we in greece know it. we can go outside the entrances of parties protesting against the situation of the "greek party stage", outhanding brochures that explain what we do, how and why we do it, or we can do anything else that might help our cause.
i know the idea is idiotic, but if it takes place for a short period continuously, eventually SOME people will notice us, listen to what we say and even join us.
once again it may be too utopic as an idea, but think of the benefit, if it works. isn't it worth fighting for?..
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theoblcrew
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Posted : Mar 11, 2004 14:47
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the post above goes to anyone interasted.
ps: detox, you can't write about the "difficulties in creating a party", since you are one of the people that take 20-30% of my money for the fack of it.
as a character you may be good, but as a person you are one of the hated(to me) people that see me as a 50euro bill and don't give a fuck about the product i get for my money, as long as you have filled your wallet and relax at the backstages. sorry, but this is my opinion. if offended, do sthing to change it... |
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DETOX
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Posted : Mar 11, 2004 22:23
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Dear theoblcrew.
What do you mean when saying that i am one of the people that takes 20%-30% of your money for the fuck of it?
If you can be more specific then i will be able to answer to you.
The problem in Greece is that people think that promoters make money out of parties every time they organise one,well please learn that this is not the case people.
PLEASE next time that you accuse someone of seeing you as a 50euro bill,take a paper and a pen,sit down for ten minutes and calculate how much it costs to organise a big event with an international guest.Then check the sum that you got and think how many tickets will the promoter need in order to cover his expenses with a ticket lets say of the price of 20 euros which is a fair price in our days.After you come up with the result of tickets that the promoter needs in order to break even think for 5 minutes how easy it is to attract this number of people to his party.
ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT AND PLEASE NEXT TIME BEFORE YOU HATE SOMEONE MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW HIM AND KNOW WHAT HE HAS OFFERED IN THIS DAMNED SCENE.
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