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XrTC
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Posted : Feb 11, 2004 05:02
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oh, and the fact that promoters don't help each other, and instead they try to destroy each other...
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DETOX
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Posted : Feb 11, 2004 15:19
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XrTC like it or not parties include money matters so where money is included there is always a war between people.
It would be wonderful for promoters to help each other but unfortunely in Greece this is just not the case....
I hope one day all this will change.
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XrTC
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Posted : Feb 15, 2004 23:47
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that's why this is my problem. and to put it better: it is OUR problem, cos we are all a part of it..
anyway, if nothing can be done about the money-related problems between promoters, how about the QUALITY issue?
does anyone here think that it is TOO hard to achieve a good quality party???
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linos(Temple Records)
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Posted : Feb 17, 2004 12:42
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Thats the case my friend, good quality parties requires more money for the artist for the sound and decor. And it is my belief that decor plays a major requirement cause we know in which state -of- mind people are at the time of the party and decor helps the ravers come in to that euphoria feeling, isnt it?
What I want tp say is that, when promoters are not able by themselves to provide that they should join together and do it! Even if we see it money wise imagine the impact and response two promoting teams will have rather one!
Its really bad for the scene, a scene that suppose to have such enlightnment values behind it, actually being destroyed by it self!
So my message is greeks get united, prove that we learned from our history and changed towards better people!
People who just sit and say: yea yea thats how we are, .......we fight each other, .....I hope that will change...Well enough about talking but start acting, after all it all depend on us!
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Posted : Feb 17, 2004 14:31
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Talking about parties is nice and easy but organising parties is something tottally different.
Most people ignore the expenses of a good organised party and the dangers behind it but they always have something to say about parties.
When a party is organised with a low budget then the people complain about the lack of extra sound,extra decoration,extra visual effects etc etc.
On the other hand when a party is organised with an extremely high budget and amazing sound system,superb visual effects,big line up and good decoration then the people complain about the high ticket prices.
Everybody would love to be able to buy a Ferrari with 5000 euros but this is just not possible.
The same applies with parties,everybody loves big line ups of international artists,everybody loves the lasers and the projector screens,everybody loves the jugglers and the dancers BUT no one wants to pay a higher entrance fee because of all these extra features.
Well people its about time that you realise that nothing is free in this world,if you demand more then you have to pay more.
And please just for once think about the promoters and the dangers they are in every time they organise a big event,from loosing money to even ending up in jail and having problems with the law cause YOU ALL KNOW that psychedelic parties promoters in Greece DONT make money out of the whole thing most of the time and you also know that the scene is not very welcome in our country by the authorities.So instead of complaining all the time about the promoters please show a little respect to them and try to help them to create something good with your ideas and suggestions,you think that they dont also want to keep everyone happy in their events?You think that they like having the people complaining about them and their events?Well learn that they dont like all this complaining stuff so please be patience and helpfull towards them 
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linos(Temple Records)
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Posted : Feb 17, 2004 16:15
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My friend Detox I wonder whether you have been involved in any organisation of psychedelic party. People like Pan or Elysium are not just some ravers complaining, are people which I believe are by far more involved than you are! On the other hand Iam a promoter down here in Cyprus and a dj as well and I believe when people like us are "complaining" as you say our objective its to bring people of the scene together as one! Hell yes we know the dangers and expenses, hell yes thats why we say to UNITE and work together spread the costs and spread the risk! You might not make as many profits cause you are not ONE but at least you will earn more people for the scene for next time WHICH THAT IS OUR CAUSE!
And what is all about that ferrari! Well I want to believe that psy parties SERVE A HIGHER CAUSE than of a car!
You said about lasers and projectors well these are not necessary there are other ways to decorate an event better and cheaper, of course when you are UNITE there is always a friend to help you out with a projector!
You said about jogglers, well those are always welcome and of course when you are UNITE there is alwaqys a friend who would love to come and juggle!
You said about dancers well if the people who come there wont dance then why do the party!
You said about line up well that will be the only point I would agree with you that will raise the costs but I ve never heard anyone complaining for high price tickets and big line ups!
You said that nothing in this world is free meaning that no money no honey! Well the world I come from not everything is rewarded with money. I saw people travelling from thousands miles away in Zambia just to help out with decoration cause that would make them express their feelings and arts and in return they wouldnt pay the entrance fee they would meet so many people and share some experiences that would only make them grow as a person or as an artist! My self I would travel anywhere just to play and share experiences with people, and like me ar many!
As an organiser I many times asked from friends to help me out with a projector ar a cd player or decoration and you know what? They were always there and you know why? Cause we are unite! we are not perfect we do have enemies but at least we TRY!
Our aim is not to offend any of the promoters as you want to say I am a promoter my self but to unite them!
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Posted : Feb 17, 2004 16:43
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Linos in the last two years i am doing my own parties in Greece (Trance Alliance) plus i am involved in various events all around the country (Athens,Thesaloniki,Nauplio) and the world such as Mexico for example.If i wasnt involved i wouldnt say all these things that i said.
About Pan and Elysium their experience and offer in the scene is undoubted and i dont think that i much disaggree with them in this topic,in fact Pan said nothing and Elysium said that things havent much changed during his last visits in our country which is ofcourse true,i mostly disaggree with my friend XrTC who probably doesnt know what is going behind the scenes of organising a party.
You said that lasers and projectors are not necessery for an event.Well i am not the one that says that they are necessery THE PEOPLE say that it is in order to have a high quality party.
Those things about being United turns out to be bullshit when it comes into business,and yes party promotion is business like it or not,especially when it is QUALITY party promotion otherwise everybody would grab some speakers and make parties for himself and his friends in the mountains.We are talking about big events here with international guests,big sound system and more than 400 people in a nice club.I dont know what is going on in Cyprus,where the scene is much smaller ofcourse than this in Greece,but in Greece you get nothing for free due to the United spirit,i even once asked from many friends to bring their VHS to a party in order to use it for projecting video cassetes and noone volunteered to do so,the same applies for jogglers and dancers ofcourse.Who knows maybe we are not as much united as you guys in Cyprus are and i have to admit that i respect you for that.
In my country local djs ask for 500 euros for a dj set,promoters are fighting each other for who will bring artist X into his event and who will have more people to his party.Its not the same to do parties in Cyprus and in Greece trust me,the competition in much higher in my country and bigger competition means bigger and more difficulties.
And because you are going to ask me 'why dont you promoters unite and make parties together?' i will reply to you saying and insisting that promoting parties is business and having a lot of partners its not easy for various reasons.
Sorry but when it comes to big events the spirit and the unite stuff dont have a big place there like in smaller events.Its like comparing a big city with a small village,the people in the city dont even know each other while in the village the people are more connected to each other.
Hope you understand mate.
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XrTC
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Posted : Feb 17, 2004 20:55
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i don't know why you disagree with me Detox...
but i am not trying to be the smart-guy who pretends to know how to organise a party and even make suggestions...
all i know is that i represent the people going to parties (actually NOT going) these days and i am just saying that we are not happy about the quality of the parties. what's to disagree with that?
anyway, if i was ensured to have quality and i attended a GREAT party, i wouldn't mind paying a somewhat higher ticket price! but, i just don't get it... how is possible for organisers in Belgium, to be able to carry out parties with Astrix, Psysex live + Hujaboy, Eyal DJ Sets (which is a considerably "big" line-up), have decorations from Tribe of frog (UK) and other countries, also chai-stands and fruit-stands etc...
AND ALL THESE WITH 20 EUROS!!!
how do they do it and we need at least 35 euros with roughly the same line-up, not a good decoration and i won't bother referring to the chai/fruit stands...
can someone enlighten me? 
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Posted : Feb 17, 2004 21:45
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XrTC my friend we are not disagreeing on every point that you made,just on some of them.
I also aggree that the quality of the parties in our days is not as good as possible,well you have come to some of my events and you can compare the parties yourself,some people try more and some less.
About the Belgium example that you mentioned i have to inform you that the line ups in other countries such as Belgium,France,Italy and other European countries cost at least 30% cheaper than the ones in Greece,artists charge much more in our country due to the big competition just like in Japan they charge almost double than Greece for the same reasons.
Also in other countries in order to book a club and to rent sound and visuals you need also much less money than in our country
Its all about money mate.
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XrTC
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Posted : Feb 18, 2004 01:30
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i will have to believe you in this (that a party in greece costs more than a party in belgium), as you probably know better...
also, i am referring generally to all promoters and parties when i speak about quality. of course there are indeed some people trying more than others... yes you were trying more (although i am sure you can do a lot better  ), but we need ALL our promoters do their best. and a lot are not even trying.................... 
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Posted : Feb 18, 2004 03:11
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Whoever is not trying my friend just do not support him.
And yes there is always space for improvement especially for those that try for something good
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XrTC
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Posted : Feb 21, 2004 03:32
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i am not.. i haven't been to a party for quite a while now.
glad you agree and will wait to see what happens in the future...
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CLAW
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Posted : Feb 21, 2004 04:17
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My point of view is that, by aiming to orginize a party and trying not to make profits, will only get u the respect of the party ppl and the ppl of the scene in general...
By orginizing a party and presenting a ticket with 20% profit out of it, u do not only loose that profit, but u are loosing a big amount of ppl as well... throwing up parties, not for gaining profits just to balance your expences and have fun yourself, will gain the respect of the ppl and increase the movement of the followers in the scene... I know that there are lots and lots behind parties and stuff, but at least, by trying to listen other ppls opinion and imporve your orginizing etc, it will only make u better....
Respect and i hope everything becomes better...
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DETOX
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Posted : Feb 21, 2004 15:13
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CHP a party for the guy that organises it is not simple fun you know.
Organising big events with international guests require a lot of money and involve big risks in them and the peoples respect will not help you to cover the expenses or get out of trouble if any occur.A 20-30% profit is always welcome to a big event in order to keep things running and make future parties possible and best organised.
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Tralala
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Posted : Feb 22, 2004 13:18
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Linos,
I read all your posts and although I theoretically agree with you, I have to point out that when it comes to parctice, nothing of this can take place....You mentioned 7 times the word Unite in your post but when it comes down to the party the word is called Business....
I dont know many things about the scene in Cyprus and I am really glad hearing that everything is more "pure" down there, but here people would kill in order to have 50 more tickets in their party...Trust me ,in Greece noone will decorate your place for free, noone will juggle for free and noone will lend you lasers and projectors for free....I know it sucks, but thats the way it is.... |
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