I am stuck with producing PSYTRANCE(kind of full-on)
icedice
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Posted : Oct 29, 2009 20:30
Maybe this can help you a little...
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Posted : Oct 29, 2009 20:37
Check out if this video helps you.
I think this technique can be used for that sound from parts 0:5/0:6/0:20/0:34-0:36/0:48-0:49
Watch from minute 2:00
Good luck!!
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Posted : Oct 30, 2009 03:03
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On 2009-10-28 18:46, Ascension wrote:
learn to manipulate audio samples
you'll be amazed what sounds you can create from a kick or snare sample with some processing
Soo true!!
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On 2009-10-29 01:27, soulfood wrote:
My advice would be to enjoy other peoples music, but don't use it to influence your own TOO directly.
I could never mimic 99% of the sounds I hear in other folks tracks, but if I take a little time and come up with my own that works too. Then once I'm finished if I leave a track for a few months and come back to it, I'll be quite proud of it.
Just remember that your sounds will always sound better to the people who didn't make them.
So very very true!
supergroover
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Posted : Oct 30, 2009 11:55
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On 2009-10-29 19:47, Okko Gaffron wrote:
0:5/0:6/0:20/0:34-0:36/0:48-0:49 - that build-up pad with that cool pulsating echo sound
probably a saw with a high attack on the amp envelope and the filter envelope. Delayed on 1/8 i think. Also it has a nice and long reverb.
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0:11 - that sound like in 0:26/27
frequency modulated sound? = fm
Sample that is pitched lower? Could be anything. Also with long reverb.
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1:12-1:16 - that hovering build-up
synth with long attack on amp with reverb, maybe lightly sidechained. Often also done by putting a long release on a synth with very short attack and then reversing the bounced sample and then add a reverb.
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In generall its that rythmic-pulsating-echo stuff and aswell that chopped vocal and synth stuff... I really dont know how to start creating that.
you can read alot of tricks in other topics here in the production forum. Just read alot of the topics. It might not be what you are looking for inmediately but you ll learn bit by bit from it.
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I hope there some out there that have some solid knowledge about that aspect of psytrance.
There is loads of people with alot of knowledge here, so keep reading if you want to learn more!
Good luck!
Okko Gaffron
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Posted : Nov 1, 2009 01:42
Hi guys!
Thank you very much for all your answers and sugestions!!!
But now I just have one more question about the importance of music theory and scales in psy trance!
Can anybody say something on that topic please???
Thank you very much!
Cheers
Axis Mundi
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Posted : Nov 1, 2009 01:50
That's a BROAD question, but in short I'd say it's just as important as in any other kinds of music.
To compare a trance track to an orchestral/classical composition, you still get the same sorts of buildups, breakdowns, dualities, formulae, etc. in the good tracks of both genres. You still get the same up/down, left/right oscillations of sound and pattern, still the same tension-twisting clashes of order and chaos in sound.
It's important for sure to learn about and study music theory in any form of music creation. You need to know the rules in order to learn to break them properly.
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Posted : Nov 1, 2009 02:19
You have to know it... you can begin to learn about scales and chords... the rest will come with it... at first it seems complicated and tedious but once you get the hang out of it becomes a very interesting tool... something to keep learning all of your life... i mean music in general nos just theory but at the ends its the same.
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Posted : Nov 1, 2009 23:31
Hi!
Okay thank you very much for the answers on music theory!
I really know how important it is to have a clear and interessting structure within every tune!
Okay!
After all the answers and after hours of digging deeply the isratrance production forum,I made a ne bit of a tune!
I really would like to get some feedback on it and please be aware of the fact that it is not perfectly mixed...so its about the sound and the quality in general!
danieLs@n
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Posted : Nov 1, 2009 23:35
Okko, you need more that a few hours, you need several months....
Again, impatience is never good. keep learning about scales, synthesis. Read, learn, practise, practise...
0´s and 1´s
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Posted : Nov 2, 2009 13:14
5 months is not a lot of practice
Liquid Soul works a lot with playing one shot sounds with lots of delay. So don't try to program "lines" and "hooks" just put one note at the beginning of the every 4 or 8 bars add some pingpong delay with 1/4 or 1/8. Then let it play and tweak the sound on the synth. You can also use short sequences of 3-4 notes just before or at 8 bars to create some melodic component. But for the progressive sound you are after you need only very few "lines" most is done with just on hit, note, sample. Mostly the sounds are not static, they often have short filter sweeps on them.
1: Learn basic synth programming, oscilator-filter-envelope-lfo
2: Learn basic effects, delay-reverb-phaser-flanger
4: Learn rhythm programming
5: Learn to write simple melodies, either full lines or just simple sequences as described above.
6: Learn to mix levels and EQing
7: Learn to finish a song.
8: If you think you need "scales" etc. learn that stuff.. I really never did learn it and I got along just fine.
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Posted : Nov 2, 2009 14:01
Hi thanks mate!!!
I really appreciate these hinds on how Liquid Soul is making his sounds!!!
I will keep practicing and I will finish a tune!
Cheers
Okko Gaffron
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Posted : Nov 4, 2009 11:31
Everybody Incl. Nico (Liquid Soul) uses samplepacks and vst intrument or hardware synth presets for 90% of such sounds (The Virus TI is your friend). -then last 10% are accidents that sounds good enough to keep.
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Posted : Nov 17, 2009 22:30
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On 2009-10-28 18:46, Ascension wrote:
learn to manipulate audio samples
you'll be amazed what sounds you can create from a kick or snare sample with some processing
Quoted For Truth.
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On 2009-11-01 01:42, Okko Gaffron wrote:
Hi guys!
Thank you very much for all your answers and sugestions!!!
But now I just have one more question about the importance of music theory and scales in psy trance!
Can anybody say something on that topic please???
Thank you very much!
Cheers
Well, the reason I am into Psychedelic Trance so much is because its all about Music Theory..At least the stuff I listen to
Most basslines in Goa/Psy are Arpeggios, or at least some form of one. Most synths melodies are in scale with each other.. The delay, reverb, phasors, flange, etc... all tie in with music theory as well in the aspect of the beat. Like if its 4/4 and changes every 32 beats, and there is a synth stab at 8 beats that has a delay that goes for 8, what would sound good to me, is again at 8, having it stab again. So essentially after the 32 beats, it could build into another part of your track/composition and still keep the flow going.
The best way to explain what I mean would be to link you up to a song or two of mine, and you could maybe listen to what I just wrote and try to apply it to my song, and maybe get an idea of some things to add to your productions
