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HP the bass question.
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dj chichke
Chichke
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Posted : Apr 1, 2010 16:09
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On 2010-04-01 13:33, Sanathana wrote:
using HP filter is generally not recommended for bass ranging in the lower BPM's i.e. anything till about 150 BPM or perhaps a little more..... Exceeding the BPM means you need shorter / tighter bass to fill between your kicks which again need to be shorter and tighter without a long tail at the end.....
Rule of thumb is use HP filter for bass only if your BPM is high. This is my opinion anyways 
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today most of the engineers cut from lows and from the highs (16-18khz) at all genres. it's not because the bass interrupt the kick. |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Apr 1, 2010 16:24
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I was a bit wondering here.Since evrything under ca 30 hz is inaudible, doesn't it make sense to cut it befor any light shelf?
I consider the most important bass spectrum @ ca 100-250 below only punch and vibrations which are enough when limited somewhere like @30 or 40hz.
I'll try that without hp~was interesting to read. https://soundcloud.com/shivagarden |
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aciduss
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Posted : Apr 7, 2010 20:03
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Sorry i was away these days... thanks for all your answers, i really appreciate.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Apr 9, 2010 00:57
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I dont highpass.
I dont like the sound of it too much, but i dont say never cause it can work sometimes depending on what you are after...
maybe for high bpm tracks it can be a good idea but i think you can make the envelopes tight and it wont be a problem, If you can turn up the volume to satisfaction.
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Oscouro
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Posted : Apr 12, 2010 19:50
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using your SENDS!
/*pseudocode for cleaning up a bass using sends. This assumes you already have a "decent sounding bass". Bass channel should be playing at "full desired volume"
basschannel{
place high pass;
adjust frequency/resonance;
should sound very clean;
nice low/mid thump;
little to no sub-pump;
}
send your bass pre-fx, call this "sub-send";
subsend{
Place lowpass filter;
play around with cutoffs;
(should correspond somewhat to cutoff of hp in basschan),
Place a gate;
Slow release (20ms-100ms);
Floor of -10dB to -20db;
/*20-100ms is 50Hz down to 10hz and gives you less subfrequency carryover between notes*/
adjust attack for clicking;
adjust hold to taste;
}
adjust ratios of subs to main bass using mixer.
Advantages of being dynamically adjustable by synching your cutoffs with a shared midiCC knob.
-Oscouro
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Liquid_Moments
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Posted : Apr 14, 2010 04:44
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hi aciduss
i have had the same problem as well you low cut your bass (ie -48db hp) and it then takes up more headroom. my way around this is to add three eq's one after the other all with the same lowcut/hp. this makes sure there are no low frequency's left to muddy the mix and brings the volume back down so you can crank the bass backup.
also it's good practise to do the same thing with other sounds in your mix as no eq i have come across every fully cuts all the choosen freq's with only one eq when you want to cut freq's totally out of a sound.
if you every watch any of the future music magazine videos were they interview a producer they always recommend the same thing.
hope this helps let me know |
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Apr 14, 2010 06:56
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ahh great.
If all producers start this now i'm gonna sell my earthquake subwoofer.
and i really liked the feeling it made with that below40s.
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Liquid_Moments
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Posted : Apr 14, 2010 07:45
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*eLliSDee*
why would you sell your sub ? you would only ever cut from 30hz down and 30 being the maximum you would go. and the kick is going to be the full range. also i meant a -48db hp slope with your eq. not cutting the sound at 48hz. |
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gutter
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Posted : Apr 14, 2010 13:04
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On 2010-04-12 19:50, Oscouro wrote:
using your SENDS!
/*pseudocode for cleaning up a bass using sends. This assumes you already have a "decent sounding bass". Bass channel should be playing at "full desired volume"
basschannel{
place high pass;
adjust frequency/resonance;
should sound very clean;
nice low/mid thump;
little to no sub-pump;
}
send your bass pre-fx, call this "sub-send";
subsend{
Place lowpass filter;
play around with cutoffs;
(should correspond somewhat to cutoff of hp in basschan),
Place a gate;
Slow release (20ms-100ms);
Floor of -10dB to -20db;
/*20-100ms is 50Hz down to 10hz and gives you less subfrequency carryover between notes*/
adjust attack for clicking;
adjust hold to taste;
}
adjust ratios of subs to main bass using mixer.
Advantages of being dynamically adjustable by synching your cutoffs with a shared midiCC knob.
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aciduss
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Posted : Apr 14, 2010 20:52
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didn't understand the 3 eq thing... you mean like 3 eq units all with hp? is that really a common practice? |
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Apr 14, 2010 22:37
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yeah, he is saying if you really want to remove the all the below30max subs , cut it 3times.
my woofer still respond down to 20hz though.
maybe this method in music will stop my bumper from vibrating off my car.
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Liquid_Moments
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Posted : Apr 15, 2010 03:48
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yes *eLliSDee* is right add 3 eq's one after the other. and dont cut anything above 30hz. alot of producers only cut 24hz and down. you will find your headroom will come back down ie your volume will not jump up so high. also you will probably add a 4th eq to shape the overall sound. but like all things test it for yourself and find what works for you.
also when i say 24hz and 30hz i dont mean you have to cut it at these specific frequencys just somewhere within 30hz and down not over or you will cut the low subs out of the sound.
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aciduss
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Posted : Apr 15, 2010 18:45
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I'll check on this. Thanks. |
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