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How would you stop the violence at trance gatherings?
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Posted : Jul 7, 2011 01:36
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Obviously these African gangsters didnt have any guns with them 
  Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!! |
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mica
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Posted : Jul 7, 2011 16:06
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^well if you are really asking me " what if they had guns?" then I tell you if you are not intelligent enough to read your enemy , know the location and evaluate the situation you are in then dont start something you cant finish. Its a fine line between stupidity and bravery.... |
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jul 7, 2011 20:46
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Why is this in "spirituality"?
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moki
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Posted : Jul 7, 2011 21:05
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this is in spirituality because i wanted to have an answer of the question why violent people in the scene, for example some djs or other important persons , get not even one word of punishment or justice back. nobody to even tell them to stop? even people who release nice spiritual cds with non violent messages, as a matter of fact, support violent men. nobody is bothered by that? i am.
why does the whole scene know about these things and nobody does anything to stop it? just watch like a bunny show. why do spiritual forces leave the situation be the way it is, is there no cosmic justice in this world?
and what if there is simply absolutely nothing you could do to protect yourself from such things - what do a spiritually wise person do in that case: accept it? revenge? throw back a revolution? throw magic? do voodoo? accept another 2000 years of injustice and disbalance? become lesbian and fuck it?
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mica
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Posted : Jul 7, 2011 22:23
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On 2011-07-07 20:46, Axis Mundi wrote:
Why is this in "spirituality"?
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good question and despite MOKI's explaination it still makes no sense,
There are much more productive and realistic things that could be asked and done . But instead moki wants to know what the spirituals would do, which makes no sense to me. They dont send the priests to the front line, they are always in the back praying for the dead .. so I dont understand this "vector of thought" of hers its seems like a waste of energy . And I think she is holding back on some info , something went down and she aint tell'n the whole story, . Take pictures use a camera, go to your police station and press charges dont need to wait for the victim, as a witness to a crime you have a civil duty to do so... many more real things can be done than wonder what the babas would do, I can tell you what they will do...most of them will run for it and turn their backs on you, . But with no offense to Moki because her concern is genuine, |
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moki
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Posted : Jul 7, 2011 22:46
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i think you miss the main part. i have no civil duty to go to the police if i am the victim myself. btw i was going to do it once, but then the guy came with a knife in my face and told me what would happen to me if i really do. later on, i saw the same man with the company of well named artists of the scene, everybody closing their eyes. a scene of blind men, i say. this must be a scene where they are truely terribly blind. or the money in the pocet is more important than the justice, yeah, this is it, believe me.
and if the babas would turn their back on me and go for it, well then just go. this is the absurd thing about it, that most people " go for it" ,somewhere abstract and unrealistic, and the problem was merely right in front of them. they did nothing. this is my vector of ththought, do something.
i am not " holding infos", you just wouldnt hear it from me directly that i was a victim of this and that. i consider myself strong enough to cope with absolutely anything. but i dont understand why it...but anyway forget it. kind of after fusionated right now, after the fusion festival. you are right, immense lost of energy. for nothing. 2011.
i had too much love to be able to ever go to the police. so i prefered 3years of psychedelic isolation. hope i did the right thing.
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mica
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Posted : Jul 7, 2011 23:34
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ok I see, I pm you |
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Jul 14, 2011 12:48
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On 2011-07-07 20:46, Axis Mundi wrote:
Why is this in "spirituality"?
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Why wouldn't this question be in the Spirituality forum?
It is an ethical and emotional issue. No matter how you look at it - it's an appropriate section for it.
I still have hard time believing that this goes on in small private parties. Unless the violence is committed by outsiders, like in Mica's story. |
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mica
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Posted : Jul 14, 2011 16:16
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^yeah you are right ,
You always have such clarity ,.... respect!
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moki
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Posted : Jul 14, 2011 20:25
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i would actually like to inform you that my world view changed completely recently at the fusion festival. and this topic is a bit out of date  .
i finally realized i can have wonderful inspiring time nevertheless. and i kind of realized i am much stronger than a bunch of rude persons with no moral. i am not disturbed by them at all any more . i just keep myself far away and festivals are big enough. violence will always be a part of our world, no matter where, as well as people without any moral and people who will stay unfriendly and rude whatever we do. if we stop expecting utopia, things become much better. but at the end of the day, no risk no fun. main thing is never to make the same mistake twice and avoid rude persons. how lucky we are in our century - we can meet 40 new people every day and there will always be new onces:)))
you dont understand how this happens at smaller events? well, the same way it happens within families too. the guy is a respected dj or an artist or even worse an organizer from whom a lot of things depend, so you can forget that anyone would do anything to help his girl out of that crap. he will hit her at home and in front of friends. nobody will intervene. this is called power of the leader. so to some extent we still live in the last century. main thing for girls is simply to take care about their self respect and avoid any childish behavioural models and just run. no matter what it costs, and i know myself that it costs a lot to start a new life from the zero. but it counts and there is happy end.
p.s. why is the topic here? well, because here is the only place to discuss that issue. all other sections are invaded by people who think that "psychedelic2 is a style and not a culture. |
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Jul 15, 2011 08:30
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you dont stop
you keep moving
if you try and stop
you intensify
let it violence express itself fully
otherwise it gets suppressed
and emerges again and again
which either ways its going to
the storm comes and goes
uproots the trees shatters
the roofs after while it settles
watch it unfold
the force is too powerful
and it spreads ...ignore it
you be at peace
When death comes to your doorstep, make sure you are alive |
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Posted : Jul 15, 2011 20:07
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Here in Mexico last year at a party for which organizers didnt ask for permition from drug lords a gang of armed men (with assault weapons ak-47 and the like) arrived in the morning shooting to the air, they stopped the party.
They made everyone knee and rob them, then they searched for drugs than werent from them and the persons carryng them were taken away (some of those people was never known again from  )
Then after all that they jus said "well now you can resume the party". I think Mekanika or massive were playing at that moment.
Of course after that incident there hasnt been a single event in tha city (monterrey). "The dedication to repetition — the search for nirvana in a single held tone or an endlessly cycling rhythm — is one of electronic music's noblest gestures." |
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Jul 17, 2011 23:35
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On 2011-07-14 20:25, moki wrote:
you don’t understand how this happens at smaller events? well, the same way it happens within families too. the guy is a respected dj or an artist or even worse an organizer from whom a lot of things depend, so you can forget that anyone would do anything to help his girl out of that crap. he will hit her at home and in front of friends. nobody will intervene. this is called power of the leader.
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IMHO, this has very little to do with psytrance (or even with “power of the leader”). It’s a case of domestic abuse that just happened to continue outside one’s house walls. I have tried to step in and intervene in the past a couple of times. First bitch cursed me up and down for messing with her honey. Second one thoroughly maced me, so I spent the rest of the night coughing and wiping my tears and snod. In both cases, the women left the party proudly sticking to their men.
So, here is my answer to this one: if you live with a jerk who abuses you at home, go out with him and then let him smack you around even in public – either you are plain stupid or you have deep psychological issues that need counseling. In most cases I have seen – it’s both. The problem in this case does lie in the girl and not in the community.
Of course, it’s much easier to get the girl the help she needs when the jerk is behind bars. Which brings us back to the security/police. No need for babas to solve this one.
P.S. BTW, throwing the jerk out of the festival or into a jail is violence too
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moki
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Posted : Jul 18, 2011 09:18
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maine coone, yeah. kind of tired to stomp on the same place over and over again ( especially because you are one of those people who told me at least 100 times that the girl is the only one who is guilty for experiencing violence ), but i will say it once more and for the last time. if it happened to 7 out of 10 girls that i know who are ACTIVE in this scene ( with emphasize on active as dj, vj, organiser or political and media activist), then it has to mean something. all girls have psychological problems? no way. you can forget it.
the problem with violence probably doesnt lie in psytrance. i believe it lies in alternative male dominated subcultures. but it lies in psytrance that we expect more humanity. to some extent we expect miracles - you know, " the guy might one day come down from the ego trip, or stop the wrong drugs, or grow spiritually".. one more thing. i refuse to discuss the problem with people from first world countries any more, because they simply dont know what it means to be nobody against the authorities, to fight for everything alone, to really be on the street if you dont take the right decisions.
also you keep pretending you would care to know the details, at least you did in the first pages, and pretending to care what happened. as a matter of fact you just care to say that the girl is the only one guilty for anything. you would turn it against her whatever happens anyway, so why keep doing it - your point is clear already. btw i dont need babas at all. babas are patriarchs too and i left them long time ago. i dont have much friends but definitely true ones. i will never make the same mistake twice in my life.
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moki
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Posted : Jul 18, 2011 09:18
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@login, this is really very shocking story...
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