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how to stay focused on main theme/ideas behind completing a track?
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Posted : Feb 17, 2011 16:51:55
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what happens to me is, i will first get some inspiration/ideas for a track(maybe by listening to some other artists tracks,or sounds from another genre etc etc),, so i have a clear picture of what i want to make, so i tell myself ok, i will use this kick/bass and use this kind of percussions, and i will make just 1 lead sound, and one this and one that, ,,so i have a plan, or a general idea,of what i want to make,before i sit down,now ,when i sit down and start with the synthesis process, what happens is, while i am finding the sounds, or going through patches,or trying on effects on a sound, i'll find something interesting, and i tend to use that interesting sound ( just because i dont want to forget about it, or loose it), so i use it, so now the track becomes filled with these find's, these accidents that got discovered while i was looking for the orignal sound, eventualy the track gets filled and more filled with these accidental sounds,you may call it trial and error, or intuition, or whatever, but the thing is the sound i was going for gets lost somewhere along the way, i loose focus on what i want to achieve, and get distracted by these accidental finds, my question is how do i remain focused on the orignal theme,ideas of the track, and not get sidetracked by these accidental findings?how is one to go about,first forming a complete idea.concept and then synthesising the idea completly through?how to maintian focus? should 1 not pay attention to these accidental findings? i mean some of them r real real good sounds, and happen once in a lifetime, by accident, by tweekin knobs, so i dont think that can be repeated,it happens only once, so should 1 compltely disregard these accidental findings?my main question is how to incorporate these findings on top of the initial ideas/concepts, to layer these accidental findings on top of the orignal theme, but first to stay focused on the main idea, and to construct/synthesise the main concept first, to remain focused as well as using intuition along the way to mix in these accidental findings also.how does one do that?i hope it makes sense what i asking
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aciduss
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Posted : Feb 17, 2011 17:06
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Serendipity is good mah fren.
But to your original question:
Look, you are making a cake right... so you know what flavour you want the cake, let's say chocolate!
So you make cake using proper ingredients, if you happen to find other nice flavours while you are digging in your cake supplies think if they will fit the chocolate cake, if not, just save them for later...
So main idea is don't go vanilla if you planned chocolate.
Always save interesting sounds, rendered or synth preset tho... you can think of putting'em elsewhere.
But again... discovering and creating new stuff is good so don't be afraid of following your own sound path.
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psyraal
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Posted : Feb 17, 2011 18:27
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Listen to aciduss, he know's what he's talking about, and i can give you an example of what happens to me, that happens to me all the time, i find interesting stuff, and i just wanna put them into the project i'm currently working on.. but if it doesn't fit what do i do? .. I save the stuff i find in a personal samples folder of mine, i've been doing it for a while now, and i already have just enough to make a samples pack..
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mudpeople
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Posted : Feb 17, 2011 22:57
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Aciduss basically said what i was going to say, the cake doesnt need you to be super careful when gathering ingredients to make it, doesnt need you to pay very very close attention to, say, JUST the flour, making sure its PERFECT. Try to keep focus on the main idea or theme, rather than the elements of the track, don't get too stuck in tiny things that are just as well left for later on. When I have an idea i try to get the whole idea out, the entire track, roughly, which then has the basics of what Im going for that can then be polished up, if its worth it (learning when to throw a track out was something very useful and time saving to learn, dont get attached, if it just doesnt sit right maybe its not worth any more effort, not every track is gonna be worth half a shit  ).
Sometimes I have just a riff or something in mind, or whatnot, that ends up as a single pattern sitting on my hdd til i go thru my projects and rediscover it at a later time. Those don't really have an overarching idea, really, just a sketch i guess that usually ends up very different. Sometimes setting an idea aside til another time helps to get another perspective, that may be when the 'aha' moment happens.
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Posted : Feb 19, 2011 01:05
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the reason why these accidental findings automaticaaly get in the track is because somewhere in my subconcious i feel that the reason why these sounds were created at that time was for the reason they should be put into the track, i never save them for later, i always tend to use them. so you think if some sounds fit i use them, and if some sounds r taking the track off course or offtrack, i should save them for later?is there a way to make these accidental findings more precise? as in to specifically be influenced to somehow match with the main theme? how to do that? any other things you broz got to share , peace
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aciduss
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Posted : Feb 19, 2011 01:10
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Lol man... don't overthink this too much, just create and try to get something going. If one could make accidents something more precise then they wouldn't be accidents anymore, would they?
If it works then leave it there, if not delete it or save for later.
Playing your tunes to other fellows always work... ask them if they like the sound in question.
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Posted : Feb 19, 2011 20:19
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yea, maybe i should stop being too serious and open up a beer,cheerz amigo
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kabbalisticvillage
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Posted : Feb 19, 2011 20:39
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it is actually good i think to go thru patches and try diff. effects and keep on building from there...i produce very quickly and i hear it all in my head..if it isnt coming to you then take a break.If its going the oppposite direction then u intended then maybe it is a good thing.Chill.Peace and Luv
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Posted : Feb 19, 2011 21:25
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I think you should adventure more into sound synthesis and engineering. Start off with the simplest preset and learn what everything does and how it works together.
Like this, like you said you have the sounds in your head and, instead of searching for them, you make them on your own and, in some time, you will be able to do this very well.
With this skill you are in much more control of your music. Searching through presets is good for inspirations and different start points and sometimes good accidents happen, but if your music has to many accidents then, by definition it wont be what you started.
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aciduss
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Posted : Feb 19, 2011 21:57
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^^^ this...
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bandarlog
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Depending on the kind of accidents you run into (tonal or not), you could try to use the accidents by molding some or all of them in the same way.
I always have certain efxchannels ready with a rather upfront/peculiar sound. They tend to colour my mix. Simple said: every sound you run through them comes out sounding familiar to each other and thus colouring my song in the same blend. This makes the chocolate taste different from vanilla by using distinct efxchannels. I even start out by using certain saved efx-combos just in order to get a specific sound/feel to it.
Then again: I don't make psytrance anymore but chillout/breaks/dnb so what do I know 
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Posted : Feb 20, 2011 05:35
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hell thats absolutly right man knocz and acidus, fukin i got to wake my sloppy sloth ass up , this is just pure sloth on my part.compltly agree with u guys there.
and monkeylog,ye man i know what u mean ,make sense to me, i do the same, slap o nfixed fx chains to sounds to get desired sound. it works for me great man,no doubt.
peace
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Posted : Feb 20, 2011 11:22
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I'm just having the same issue as you Minus  . I can start off easily, but I also get easily distracted by other sounds I accidentally make. Practice makes perfect I think...saving them them for later and moving on to the global idea of the track is the key, it seems . |
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